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Post by
Jubilee
And that's what Skree has been saying the entire time.
That is correct. Just because I use someone else's assumptions to argue against someone doesn't mean I've accepted them.
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44284
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Post by
Thror
If women went about topless more often, breasts might not be arousing outside of sexual encounters.
To be honest, this is exactly what I wanted to avoid saying in my post, because I think it might not be entirely true. The atmosphere of intimacy that comes when sex is about to happen makes things arousing.
Are you turned on immediately when you see a woman in stockings on some picture? Would you be turned on if a woman in stockings would be in front of you and you would know she wants to get intimate with you? Different things. A clever girl could possibly make revealing ankles look sexy, even in this age.
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Post by
Atik
Do women want to be raped?
As rankorr said, female breasts are a sexual organ to men and are arousing. Walking around topless is a great way to encourage some creeper to stalk you and assault you.
Fridge logic just hit me, sorry.
But, if I understand right, the general idea behind rape is to torture the girl and make her feel powerless... right?
So why take a half naked girl instead of ripping ones shirt off yourself? Seems a little counter-intuitive.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Do women want to be raped?
As rankorr said, female breasts are a sexual organ to men and are arousing. Walking around topless is a great way to encourage some creeper to stalk you and assault you.
Fridge logic just hit me, sorry.
But, if I understand right, the general idea behind rape is to torture the girl and make her feel powerless... right?
So why take a half naked girl instead of ripping ones shirt off yourself? Seems a little counter-intuitive.
No. The general idea behind rape is to force sex without the consent of one or more participant, which is where the whole issue of someone being of 'not right mind' enters the matter. Making one feel powerless enters the realm of personal fetish and or kinks, as such efforts are more for the thrill of having power instead of the mere efforts of achieving sexual gratification.
Rape is more an umbrella term if you will.
Post by
Atik
Wierd, because whenever I've had it shoved my throat that rape is a sort of psychological weapon and has nothing to do with the rapist actually wanting sex at all...
Post by
oneforthemoney
Wierd, because whenever I've had it shoved my throat that rape is a sort of psychological weapon and has nothing to do with the rapist actually wanting sex at all...
No, it's that they use psychological weapons to get the sex. Ex: Surprise, fear, and such. It is often portrayed as your definition to make it more horrifying to people, as the idea of being aware during the action is far more horrifying to the listener as it is described as opposed to mostly out of it.
Post by
Skreeran
You're both generalizing all rapists into a singular category.
According to my psychology textbook, at least, there are four major categories of rapists that can be further divided into two categories, Power and Anger.
There's
Power-Assertive
type, which are the red-blooded alpha male type who rape to assert their dominance over a woman. These types frequently imagine that their victims secretly enjoy it.
There's also
Power-Reassurance
type, who rape to prove to themselves that they're "manly" and strong. They have low self-esteem and need to reassure themselves that they are strong and powerful.
Then there's
Anger-Retaliation
type, who attack women sexually to punish them for real, or more often imagined crimes against them or men in general. They hate women and use sexual violence as a means of retaliation. These types often injure their victim severely, sometimes to the point of death.
Lastly, least commonly, and perhaps most gruesomely, there's
Anger-Excitation
type. These ones are the real sadists who rape because they derive sexual pleasure from the fear and suffering of their victim. These are the ones who torture their victims just because it makes them feel good.
Post by
oneforthemoney
I was referring more to the term rape but I see your point.
Post by
ElhonnaDS
@ Queggy- Son, I am disappoint. By that logic, the statistics on OB/GYN's who become rapists should be astronomical. The difference between a woman in a bikini, and one who is topless, is not so much that one is a completely inexcusable reason to rape someone, and the other is fine. It's ignorant to blame the victim in rape cases. To quote a police officer from a discussion board about the correlation between rape and how a woman dresses:
Having been in police work for 40+ years, I can say that how a woman is dressed has little or nothing to do with sex crimes. It's about opportunity. Our local serial rapist, The "South Side" rapist, attacked some 30 women in their homes. He could not even see them before hand, he forced his way in through a window and raped the victims at knifepoint. – M. Werner May 10 at 15:01
And even if you could prove such a connection, that doesn't put the burden on the victim. Wealthy people might be more likely to be robbed, or to be the victims of blackmail or extortion, because the criminal considers them a more attractive target. It's not their fault they got robbed by virtue of the fact that they had nice jewelry, or a nice car, though. No one sees an old woman who's been shot for her jewelry, and says "Well, it's her fault for having a diamond ring. She kind of asked for it."
Even in rape cases, people don't look at a jogger who is raped in the woods as having "asked for it", even though being alone in a secluded place can greatly increase your chances of being raped. To say that they are "asking for it" by dressing a certain way is not a judgement on their risk-taking, but a result of moral judgements made by people who dress that way in general. People who blame the victim believe, on some level, that the victim deserved it for dressing in a way that they don't approve of- that it's a punishment for having different morals.
That being said, I don't think that we're ready for legalizing topless females. People are correct that ankles used to be taboo, and that changed gradually. But the laws changed in line with society's viewpoints changing. The law didn't change, and then force society's views to change. And there were about 150 years between the first legal public glimpse of an ankle, and Daisy Dukes. The breast issue has evolved over time- It used to be obscene to show any of your neck as a female. now we wear string bikinis. And as the cultural perception of what is taboo has relaxed, the fashion trends have followed suit. I think eventually, we'll get to the point where the female chest is sufficiently non-sexualized that the law warrants a change, but we're not there yet.
Post by
Skreeran
That being said, I don't think that we're ready for legalizing topless females. People are correct that ankles used to be taboo, and that changed gradually. But the laws changed in line with society's viewpoints changing. The law didn't change, and then force society's views to change. And there were about 150 years between the first legal public glimpse of an ankle, and Daisy Dukes. The breast issue has evolved over time- It used to be obscene to show any of your neck as a female. now we wear string bikinis. And as the cultural perception of what is taboo has relaxed, the fashion trends have followed suit. I think eventually, we'll get to the point where the female chest is sufficiently non-sexualized that the law warrants a change, but we're not there yet.I'd agree with this. My entire point in this thread has not necessarily been in favor of legalizing female toplessness to brute force societal change, but rather that nudity itself is not intrinsically immoral.
Post by
Adamsm
That being said, I don't think that we're ready for legalizing topless females. People are correct that ankles used to be taboo, and that changed gradually. But the laws changed in line with society's viewpoints changing. The law didn't change, and then force society's views to change. And there were about 150 years between the first legal public glimpse of an ankle, and Daisy Dukes. The breast issue has evolved over time- It used to be obscene to show any of your neck as a female. now we wear string bikinis. And as the cultural perception of what is taboo has relaxed, the fashion trends have followed suit. I think eventually, we'll get to the point where the female chest is sufficiently non-sexualized that the law warrants a change, but we're not there yet.
Well maybe in some of the States =P.
Areas where 'topfreedom' is allowed(some NSFW pics).
Also
10 successful cases where being topless has actually changed laws
(can I say I love my country heh?).
Post by
ElhonnaDS
@Adam
Well, then. Perhaps I am just old-fashioned :P
Post by
Adamsm
@Adam
Well, then. Perhaps I am just old-fashioned :P
Mayhaps; still, looking at it, the main thing about all of those cases does seem to state that public indecency is about exposing private parts(aka genitals), yet breasts aren't considered private parts....so the fact that some of the States do have laws where women can be arrested as sex criminals just boggles the mind even more. Oh well, maybe more cases will keep coming up, and more laws will be bent to allow topfreedom to spread....still can't believe that some of the cities in Texas of all places, allow for toplessness heh.
Post by
oneforthemoney
Even though it is not technically illegal I believe it may still be considered impractical by most. Even though it may not be illegal by technicality, going about topless in an everyday setting would be highly irregular not to mention likely uncomfortable for many around her as well as possibly herself, as I imagine someone in such a state would garner a fair few stares. Practice and theory are two very different things and walking around topless at a place of work is going to be discouraged for some time to come for being inappropriate I believe.
I still dislike it when women breastfeed in public right in front of me though.
Post by
Adamsm
Even though it is not technically illegal I believe it may still be considered impractical by most. Even though it may not be illegal by technicality, going about topless in an everyday setting would be highly irregular not to mention likely uncomfortable for many around her as well as possibly herself, as I imagine someone in such a state would garner a fair few stares. Practice and theory are two very different things and walking around topless at a place of work is going to be discouraged for some time to come for being inappropriate I believe.
I still dislike it when women breastfeed in public right in front of me though.
So why is it alright for guys to go around shirtless though? Same issue there after all heh.
Edit: And it's not about being topless at work or restaurants, as the 'No Shirt, no shoes, no Service' laws are still enforced even in areas where toplessness is allowed; it's being topless out and about the town, same as you'd see guys in the same way.
Post by
oneforthemoney
I was not referring to restaurants specifically but rather the working world at large.
I honestly have no problem if a woman wishes to go about shirtless. However, unlike men women have bra's which they usually wear underneath their clothing. Therefore I wonder why she would take off both her shirt and bra in a case where going shirtless is a perfectly reasonable reaction such as it is hot out, unless it was for the specific reason of revealing her breasts .
Post by
Adamsm
In a working environment, the bra is required(well supposedly), but if the woman was out and about for the day, just relaxing, she may not put one on, so it would be natural that it was just the shirt. And as I said, we have a topless jogger around here, who jogs without her shirt on every day; she's a part of the scenery now a days.
Edit: And of course, there are women out there who don't wear a bra no matter what =P.
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