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So Blizzard is introducing the ability to buy items with real money in Diablo 3. Good idea for WoW?
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Post by
Orranis
It would completely ruin the economy.
Post by
Trishi
Knew this was coming. I posted way back in 2009 about that horse that blizzard was selling for $25. And said it would lead to other items being sold in game.
http://www.wowhead.com/forums&topic=152798.4
People bought this in their thousands and Blizzard being a money making business, saw an opportunity. Now if it had fallen on its ass and players had stayed away then I don’t think we would be having this discussion.
Blizzard threw in the bait and it was taken – if you bought the horse or in-game pets, well you only have yourself to blame
Can't compare, and Blizzard even spelled it out for you. The horse is effectively useless. It's just a cosmetic change, and nothing more, apart from a few golds saved (Huge emphasis on few, considering you can buy lots of mounts by doing a single round of firelands daily quests). Equipment is something that changes the game for you. So your "I knew it was coming" was nothing but a random, unrelated guess. Oh, and even more so, because
they wont be selling anything
, at least this is their claim right now. It's
players
selling stuff to other players. Which means that if this get's added to WoW, the goldsellers will celebrate. It will make it a million times easier for them to do business.
I'm not worried about the pay itself. I'm worried that it will be impossible to use the AH, because everyone wants to sell their stuff for real money. All the BoE's on the AH will disappear, and be replaced by new ones sold by $ instead of gold. And the worst thing is, that Blizzard can't prevent it, unless they make some sort of gold to $ converter, like say, 1k gold = 1 $, and makes it impossible to change that fixed conversion. Otherwise, it's piss easy to just set it for sale for 500k gold, and set it to the price they feel like.
The
real
issue, is the difference between Diablo and WoW. In Diablo, it's partly acceptable, because you can buy an item, and when an upgrade comes around, you can sell the old one - nothing binds. That's not the case in WoW. I really don't hope Blizzard let's us trade items we have already equipped...
Post by
Poolie72
Can't compare, and Blizzard even spelled it out for you. The horse is effectively useless. It's just a cosmetic change, and nothing more, apart from a few golds saved (Huge emphasis on few, considering you can buy lots of mounts by doing a single round of firelands daily quests). Equipment is something that changes the game for you. So your "I knew it was coming" was nothing but a random, unrelated guess. Oh, and even more so, because
they wont be selling anything
, at least this is their claim right now. It's
players
selling stuff to other players. Which means that if this get's added to WoW, the goldsellers will celebrate. It will make it a million times easier for them to do business.
...
Cant compare ? As I said. Blizzz tested the water to see if people were willing to pay for ingame item’s, and the players voted yes. Whether the horse was useless or not wasn’t the issue here. you start with something that's meaningless (i.e a mount) and go from there. Don’t take a rocket scientist to work out.
It wasn’t a guess it was just common sense as well. Why else would they sell a mount and not just make it a drop or a quest reward ?
And if you think Blizzard won’t be selling items, you’re kidding yourself. And the players selling on the AH for money, think blizzard won’t be taking their cut?
I don’t claim to know what Blizzard is going to do. I just know that before you do something new to a service you offer, you test the water so see what the response is.
Post by
Trishi
Cant compare ? As I said. Blizzz tested the water to see if people were willing to pay for ingame item’s, and the players voted yes. Whether the horse was useless or not wasn’t the issue here. you start with something that's meaningless (i.e a mount) and go from there. Don’t take a rocket scientist to work out.
It wasn’t a guess it was just common sense as well. Why else would they sell a mount and not just make it a drop or a quest reward ?
And if you think Blizzard won’t be selling items, you’re kidding yourself. And the players selling on the AH for money, think blizzard won’t be taking their cut?
I don’t claim to know what Blizzard is going to do. I just know that before you do something new to a service you offer, you test the water so see what the response is.
Whether they take a cut or not is beside the point. They aren't selling any game-changing items. At least not according to the current model for Diablo 3. Taking a cut of the profit =/= selling things. You need to take economy classes if you really believe that.
You call it common sense? Wait, so you don't understand making items to sell? To profit. Everything they do is to make profit. And if they fear they will lose customers by adding a $AH, I can guarantee they wont implement it. And again, according to their own policy regarding this, they wont sell game-changing items.
As for the last line, that's what I'm afraid of. Only, I'm afraid they are using Diablo 3 to test the waters in regards to trading items using real money, with the intent to apply it to WoW. I'm sincerely hoping they wont, and perhaps that's not something that will happen till "WoW2" is such a thing will happen. Either way, I hope they wont go that way. A personal opinion - I don't think it will destroy wow. It will probably attract the attention of other players, and a lot of people will either not care enough, or actually like it. I wont like it, but I'm not sure I will care enough at that point to quit.
Post by
drame
in my eyes? hey why not? I don't care. The only problem i have is blizzard yanking peoples money from it, im fine with 1 (UND PRECISLY WONE!) small fee that should be subtracted when you have sold the item, thats where i get a bit annoyed with blizz as their clearly going to be earning on it.
For WoW? I wouldn't mind either ways, i probably wouldn't use it, but i dont care if other dids. Their money and whether they do it legitly thanks to blizz giving them the chance, or in a shady manner is none of my concern.
For diablo? Again i dont give a danm, i think those who say they wont buy it or will leave cause it is A) empty bullploppers or B) just dumb. Sorry but its not a game ruining experience in any way unless the pvp is soooooo competetively focused and balanced that buying some good gear would RUIN the game. Diablo 3 is NOT about the pvp, it just haves it for the lulz.
TL;DR, sure they should go nuts, but i dont like how greedy blizz seems. (Or at least the way they spread their cash grabs)
Post by
TheReal
This is what blows my mind:
Can players choose to get cash from currency-based auction house sales, instead of having the proceeds deposited into their Battle.net account?
Yes, as an advanced feature, players will have the option of attaching an account with an approved third-party payment service to their Battle.net account. Once this has been completed, proceeds from the sale of items in the currency-based auction house can be deposited into their third-party payment service account. “Cashing out” would then be handled through the third-party payment service. Note that this process will be subject to applicable fees charged by Blizzard and the third-party payment service. Also, any proceeds from the sale of items in the currency-based auction house that have been deposited into the Battle.net account will not be transferrable to the third-party payment service account. Not all regions will support this advanced feature at launch. Region-specific details, as well as details regarding which third-party payment services will be supported and the fee that Blizzard will charge for the cash-out process, will all be provided at a later date.
What do you do to pay the bills and earn a living? Play Diablo 3.
0.O
Post by
Trishi
Sorry but its not a game ruining experience in any way unless the pvp is soooooo competetively focused and balanced that buying some good gear would RUIN the game. Diablo 3 is NOT about the pvp, it just haves it for the lulz.
This is especially true if Diablo 3 is
anything
like diablo 2. Balance is almost non-existant, because of how Diablo's engine works.
The problem isn't balance per se, but more the social issues we would see in-game. I'd hate to try signing up for a raid, only to have a stupid reply like "Lolz, your gear isn't up to date, poor #$%^&". I know from playing some of the F2P games with paid items (Shin Megami Tensei comes to mind), finding groups for high level dungeons is close to impossible, because most at that level have used money on the items that are far better than anything you could possibly have otherwise. There is a difference, because this gear can be found otherwise, but worst case scenario, that "otherwise" is in the raids you can't get access to, because people expect you to be decked out in all the items from the raid in question already.
I'm particularly afraid of this scenario, because this was how it was for groups for ICC in wrath. People demanded 5,5k GS, which meant you almost needed full ICC gear to get in to begin with. So how ridiculous can it get if we can
buy
the same items? Far worse.
On the other hand, I guess it will get rid of at least
some
of the 10-year olds.
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