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Post by
Tartonga
It's their own choice to buy your stuff from the AH. You are in no way forcing them to buy it. It's not a scam.
Despite what everyone else thinks, I agree with you this time. Why does the game have to be way just too plain and simple, whereas the purpose is to simulate real life as much as possible, in the sense that buying and selling has no varieties and you can't outsmart someone? Why is it frowned upon that someone uses his creativity inside a legal frame (since I guess you are not violating anything) to experiment in the game hypothetically real life situations? Why is deception not taken as a natural act that can possibly occur and is instead categorized as a "jerk move"? I think you are being smart rather than being a jerk and I disagree that boundaries should be that tight in this case, where you are just playing and experimenting social changes, since the game does not promote a lot of varieties by itself.
By that logic taken to an extreme, aren't people who commit murder and get away with it by riding technicalities being smart and acting naturally because they're creatively getting rid of something they see as a problem?
How can my logic be applied like that? Do you think murder counts as an event inside a legal frame?
Post by
Jubilee
"I'm aware that I would be considered an a55hat and a %^&*!@ and all things negative but is it against the T&C?"
B. Rules Related to "Chat" and Interaction With Other Users. Communicating in-game with other Users and Blizzard representatives, whether by text, voice or any other method, is an integral part of the Game and the Service and is referred to here as "Chat." When engaging in Chat, you may not:
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(vii) Participate in any action that, in the sole and absolute opinion of Blizzard, results or may result in an authorized user of the Game being "scammed" or defrauded out of gold, weapons, armor, or any other items that user has earned through authorized game play in the Game;
How can my logic be applied like that? Do you think murder counts as an event inside a legal frame? If a judge rules it legal, then yes it is legal.
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Post by
Tartonga
If a judge rules it legal, then yes it is legal.
I'm sorry, I still don't get your comparison.
Is Blizzard the judge?
Because when I said "inside a legal frame" I meant the rules inside the game.
I can see your logic, but it's still bad logic. Your argument is flawed. On logical grounds, it's a scam. On moral grounds, it's still a scam.
You state that as a fact and yet you don't argument why. Besides, morality is subjective to everyone; having said that, I don't find this as a scam.
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489833
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Post by
Jubilee
So according to you, if you do something within the "rules inside the game" even if it hurts another person, it's a smart thing to do? Then I'm taking that an applying it to actual law. If someone were to commit murder within the technicalities of the law, would you consider that person's actions as "smart", or would you agree with most people here (I think) that believe that murder is wrong regardless of the arbitrary laws defining and governing it?
Society and human interaction is so much more than mere regulatory norms.
Post by
Hank
Yes, you are scamming.
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Post by
DioxVirus
While it's not technically a "scam" Blizzard has punished for it before.It used to happen quite frequently on my server but Blizzard then stepped in.It depends on the GM the reporter gets in all honesty you may get away with it a few time or even 99% of the time but it only takes one GM.Also there may be people that fall for it but if your server is anything like mine people will call you out on it in trade if they happen to look it up themselves.
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Post by
Jubilee
All the person is really doing is taking advantage of the greed or naivity of the other person. As said before, it is not a scam but a dodgy practice to partake in.
That's all a scammer does. He says he has a Rolex that he'll sell you for 50% of the normal price. The buyer is either too greedy or too naive to realize that the seller is lying and that it's not a real Rolex. It's still a scam.
In this case here, it's the buyer who's doing the scamming by lying, but it's the same principle. Lying and hoping to get someone too greedy or naive to realize that you're lying.
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Post by
deathbyte
Maybe we would be both as bad as each other.
In that case, surely there's no problem and I can do what I plan?
Sorry if this classes as a double post......
No, it's very different, in the way that you are suggesting a transaction, or agreement that you from the start have no intention of honoring. That's deception and the kind of thing that can get you into trouble.
Not always true, all words have different ways of looking at it.
If I post in trade chat.. "WTB <insert item here> 5k" when costs somewhat less yet I don't have 5k, That could be on my wish list of items I want for sentimental value.
Unles the buyer specifically contacts you about him selling it to you before he buys it and you make a 'verbal' agreement, then it is the buyers fault if he loses out on his money. He tried scamming you back.
Thats the problem with the internet, words can be interpreted many different ways, weho knows who is telling the truth or trolling sometimes?
Post by
DioxVirus
There are people behind those pixels but I guess online anonymity brings out the worst in everyone. "It's just a game" is a terrible excuse to be a !@#$.
Post by
deathbyte
All the person is really doing is taking advantage of the greed or naivity of the other person. As said before, it is not a scam but a dodgy practice to partake in.
That's all a scammer does. He says he has a Rolex that he'll sell you for 50% of the normal price. The buyer is either too greedy or too naive to realize that the seller is lying and that it's not a real Rolex. It's still a scam.
In this case here, it's the buyer who's doing the scamming by lying, but it's the same principle. Lying and hoping to get someone too greedy or naive to realize that you're lying.
Can't really say thats the same... Selling a fake is different then selling a legitimate item
Post by
Jubilee
Society and human interaction is so much more than mere regulatory norms.
Apologies for paraphrasing but your last sentence, appropriately, summed up your whole point.
Allow me to fix that for you.
Society and human interaction is so much more than a MMORPG that people chose to pay for and play.
So it's okay to lie, cheat and steal, as long as it's only some of the time? That's a really sad attitude to have.
All the person is really doing is taking advantage of the greed or naivity of the other person. As said before, it is not a scam but a dodgy practice to partake in.
That's all a scammer does. He says he has a Rolex that he'll sell you for 50% of the normal price. The buyer is either too greedy or too naive to realize that the seller is lying and that it's not a real Rolex. It's still a scam.
In this case here, it's the buyer who's doing the scamming by lying, but it's the same principle. Lying and hoping to get someone too greedy or naive to realize that you're lying.
Can't really say thats the same... Selling a fake is different then selling a legitimate item
The scam isn't in the selling, it's in the lying. In one case the seller is lying, in the other case the buyer is lying. In both cases, it involves lying about the price of an item.
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489833
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Post by
Tartonga
So according to you, if you take advantage within the "rules inside the game" without hurting another person, it's a smart thing to do?
Fixed and yes. How would you hurt the person in this case? Deception means to hurt? I ask again, why is deception not taken as a natural act that can possibly occur and is instead categorized as a "jerk move"?
Then I'm taking that an applying it to actual law. If someone were to commit murder within the technicalities of the law, would you consider that person's actions as "smart"?
Even if I asnwered that question, what could you possibly conclude? I don't see how it is related to my point. And I don't even see how that's a fair comparison, to be honest.
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