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The Carbon Tax. Yes or No?
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Post by
donnymurph
Yeah. Ironic that they are both former leaders of their respective parties.
Also, my foster-sister was just watching TV and I overheard an ad, saying that for every ton of carbon not produced in Australia, it is simply produced overseas instead. I'm not sure how or why that works; but if it's true, I am more inclined to be against the carbon tax.
Post by
Squishalot
It's a load of crap. The concept is that if it's not manufactured in a polluting way here because it's too expensive, it'll be manufactured overseas in a polluting way, where they're not taxed.
Considering that manufacturing isn't really being taxed, and that the raw materials for production (e.g. coal, iron ore, mineral sands, etc.) are being taxed here, it'll bump the cost of production up overseas as well. It's partially true in that some stuff will be imported instead, but it's nowhere near 1:1.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
donnymurph
Fair enough.
Post by
pezz
Plus, if it's slightly cheaper to produce it over sees, but you lose everything you save and more so in shipping costs, you've kind of shot yourself in the foot trying to move your production.
Post by
gnomerdon
Sure looks good on the outside......
I'm not in favor of it.
Post by
LoveStorm
Made this thread whilst at TAFE, power cut out. (Government spending at work there, eh?) Interesting opinions.
Im new to the forums, and someone mentioned converting to a poll. How does one go about doing that?
Post by
Squishalot
You need to be a Wowhead Premium member to start a poll. Same process as creating a new thread, but you insert a poll question and options.
Post by
LoveStorm
You need to be a Wowhead Premium member to start a poll. Same process as creating a new thread, but you insert a poll question and options.
Ah, never mind then. I might go "premiumzzz" later. But yeah, would rather just continue reading up on what people think of the tax, and whether they're an Abbott or a Gillard.
Post by
gnomerdon
If I was a politician and I can get away with stealing tax money, I would steal.
Post by
Squishalot
But yeah, would rather just continue reading up on what people think of the tax, and whether they're an Abbott or a Gillard.
Neither?
Post by
donnymurph
Ah, never mind then. I might go "premiumzzz" later. But yeah, would rather just continue reading up on what people think of the tax, and whether they're an Abbott or a Gillard.There's 4 Australian regulars in Off-Topic. 5 if you stick around. If you want to discuss issues like this, it's much better to word it in a manner that doesn't pigeonhole the discussion for one particular demographic.
Post by
LoveStorm
Ah, never mind then. I might go "premiumzzz" later. But yeah, would rather just continue reading up on what people think of the tax, and whether they're an Abbott or a Gillard.There's 4 Australian regulars in Off-Topic. 5 if you stick around. If you want to discuss issues like this, it's much better to word it in a manner that doesn't pigeonhole the discussion for one particular demographic.
Fair enough, other countries are implementing carbon tax anywho, so feel free to join in.
Carbon tax as an overall, is it effective, is it pointless or is it just more money going to the government?
Post by
Squishalot
Carbon tax as an overall, is it effective, is it pointless or is it just more money going to the government?
If people are complaining that it's going to cost them more money to buy the same things and use the same electricity, then yes, it's effective.(##RESPBREAK##)8##DELIM##Squishalot##DELIM##
Post by
Sweetscot
My issue with taxes like these is they hit the lowest income brackets the hardest, and those people have the least amount of control over their energy use :/
In a big picture way I can see how they could do some good, but I have a feeling they wind up being more money to make and maintain than they are worth to the rich, and just addition to the burden of the poor.
Post by
Squishalot
My issue with taxes like these is they hit the lowest income brackets the hardest, and those people have the least amount of control over their energy use :/
In this particular instance, it's being rolled out along with a tax cut package, so that about 70% of people will either be cash positive or cash neutral in their financial position (i.e. estimated costs go up by $500, tax goes down by >$500).
Post by
LoveStorm
Im going to bump this up, curious to see more opinions on Carbon Tax as a whole.
Post by
Sweetscot
My issue with taxes like these is they hit the lowest income brackets the hardest, and those people have the least amount of control over their energy use :/
In this particular instance, it's being rolled out along with a tax cut package, so that about 70% of people will either be cash positive or cash neutral in their financial position (i.e. estimated costs go up by $500, tax goes down by >$500).
I know in
this
instance they are attempting to alleviate that, my opinion was more on the idea as an abstract :)
That said, even if it's initial implementation takes it's toll on lower income brackets into account, other's implementation, using au as a springboard, might not and once the precedence for this kind of tax is set whats to say that later on they won't jack them up. There's also the point of "will the return be worth the cost to implement?". The answer to that I haven't a clue, but it is a concern.
Btw, this fence is quite comfy I think I'll be sitting here a while lol
Post by
164232
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Post by
Jubilee
Was the guy standing in front of the tank at Tienanmen Square under any illusions that his actions would have some sort of immediate effect? Probably not, but he stood there nonetheless because it was the right thing to do and maybe, just maybe, his example would help spark a fire that would help bring the end of the oppressions communism was heaping on the people.
So I don't think anyone should hesitate from making a good first step just because they don't think it's going to change much.
Post by
Sweetscot
Best analogy I can use regarding the Carbon Tax, and the effect it will have:
All the worlds leaders are in one room, smoking big Cuban cigars. The leaders of America, China, & India are smoking 2 at a time. Right over in the back corner is Australian Prime Minister, little Julia Gillard, smoking a cigarette.
Julia decided to put out her cigarette.
What effect will that have on the room?
There ladies and gentlemen, is the effect that the Carbon Tax in Australia, will have on the world.
The thing is that putting out the cigarette could cause Obama to say "why the heck am I smoking 2 cigars at once? *cough chough*" and put his out too, or at least one of them, or switch to a light cigarette instead. While I might doubt the outcome of the tax within the country it's passed in it is much more obvious that laws passed in one country that succeed are likely to be adapted or adopted by others, particularly those with somewhat similars views to begin with.
One person putting out a cigarette can lead to clearing the smoke in the room, it takes time but it can be the first dominoe in the chain.
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