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175315
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Post by
Morec0
No one likes the undead. Even the Horde only tolerates it. You make some vallid points, but I think that the biggest factor is this: the Scouge brings with it too many memories of pain and death. It would be as it Nazi Germany returned to help us fight terrorism. We may be greatful, but we would never truely like their existance as it would bring with it the memories of the pain it caused.
Post by
killerdinoblood
While i totally agree with Morec i have this question.Why are the Cult of the Damned doing nothing?I mean,after doing the Battle of Androhal quests i have the impression that the Cult of the Damned is free and not mind controlled by Bolvar.While Bolvar on the other hand is just sitting on his Throne,frozen,unmoving and rotting.I even think the guy has fallen asleep and just waits for the Argent Crusade to do the dirty work.
Which makes me wonder,why doesnt the Cult of the Damned just sneak into Icrecrown Citadel,shatter the ice of the Throne which keeps Bolvar safe,and just kill Bolvar.Then they can get the Helm of Domination,roll for it...and whoever wins is the new
Evil
Lich King.Then we have all the
''Wrath of the Lich King''
saga again.I mean what stops the Cult from doing this?
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175315
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Post by
Morec0
No, the Ebon Blade has not been accepted. They're seen as the Horde is seen to the undead; tools to be used. Even the Ebon Blade hate themselves. And while you have a point about the flaw in my comparrison, put yourself in a Jewish survivor's or a relative thereof's shoes; Nazi Germany returns but no longer kills people. Your family will be constantly reminded of the pain and suffering that Hitler's regime put your people through. While it dosn't happen anymore, you would still feel sick to your stomach everytime you looked or read about it.
Put that on a grander scale of world-wide death and destruction: The Scourge. still maybe not the best example and explanation, but its all I can think of atm
As for the Cult, they've all but been exterimated. And Bolvar may be sleeping, but like Arthas before him he can still control the undead in that state and there are still likely enough undead to protect him and whatnot within Icecrown Citadel. They're not just sitting around playing poker.
Post by
killerdinoblood
As for the Cult, they've all but been exterimated. And Bolvar may be sleeping, but like Arthas before him he can still control the undead in that state and there are still likely enough undead to protect him and whatnot within Icecrown Citadel. They're not just sitting around playing poker.
Do you have proof of this?Cuz from what i see Bolvar is doing absolutely nothing exept explicitly banning the Scourge from attacking anyone or anything.As for the Cult,im fairly sure there still alive.Mainly residing in Scholomance
Post by
oneforthemoney
He's not forcing them to do nothing. On the contrary, he's just preventing them from moving en masse anywhere. Individual Scourge commanders still maintain a certain degree of leash such as in Andorhal.
Post by
Morec0
As for the Cult, they've all but been exterimated. And Bolvar may be sleeping, but like Arthas before him he can still control the undead in that state and there are still likely enough undead to protect him and whatnot within Icecrown Citadel. They're not just sitting around playing poker.
Do you have proof of this?Cuz from what i see Bolvar is doing absolutely nothing exept explicitly banning the Scourge from attacking anyone or anything.As for the Cult,im fairly sure there still alive.Mainly residing in Scholomance
Of course the Cult is still around, you fight them in WPL after all. And that's all Bolvar wants to do; keep the Scourge away from civilization. By not just sitting around playing poker, I meant "they're not jsut letting people walk into Icecrown Citadel." They're guarding it and him, making it highly unlikely that the Cult could take him out.
Post by
killerdinoblood
Okay,i must agree you have a point.But if a raid of adventurers can pierce trough the defences of Icecrown Citadel and kill Arthas then why cant the Cult just
''raid''
ICC,destroy the deffenders which are fairly weak since all the strong Scouge Horrors were killed by the Ashen Verdict and De-Throne Bolvar?
Post by
Morec0
Well, for one the ten-to-twenty people that defeated Arthas in-game adds up to hundreds (maybe even thousands) of soldiers attacking Icecrown so that Tirion and his strongest could get through the Scourge to take out the Lich King. The same army that, while decimating the mindless Scourge, also took out a chunk of the Cult as well, leaving their numbers at next to nothing. If the cult can't breach the walls of Icecrown altogether, then it might be something of a stalemate in the halls.
There might also be some Crusade or Ashen Verdict members still in Northrend to keep an eye on things and hunt down surviving, but that's just speculation. For the most part the cult likely went into hiding to keep from going extinct.
Post by
oneforthemoney
The main factor is also likely that, aside form the select few, no one knows Bolvar is now the Lich King.
At least, provided they don't touch the
statue.
Post by
Morec0
The main factor is also likely that, aside form the select few, no one knows Bolvar is now the Lich King.
At least, provided they don't touch the
statue.
Still, someone might try and go for the helm of dommination and I think that's what they're getting at.
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Post by
oneforthemoney
It begins...
Post by
Morec0
It begins...
I know, right?
I personally like this idea. If Hitler, Napoleon, Hannibal and the Confederate generals took out Ghaddafi, i'd greet them with open arms. Bolvar should help. Undead can be good, Sylvanas' Forsaken proved that.
Even thought they're not proving that now.
How aren't they proving that? They are good allies to the Horde and played an instrumental part in destroying Arthas...
But they're also going behind Garrosh's back to use the Blight - in Gilneas - have destroyed cities with them - Southshore - and are ressurecting more people into undead - like the Lich King had been before his fall. While these are all in the cause of the Horde or self-preservation of their people, bombing someone with Blight - especially after the Wrathgate - isn't going to be well recived by other sides.
Had it not been banned like it was, it would still cause a lot of uncomfotable feelings about working alongside them among the other races of the Horde.
Let's try to not let this fall into a bashing-fest, shall we?
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818479
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Post by
Morec0
Could everyone stop blaming the Blight on the Forsaken in general? it's like blaming all dragons for deathwing's betrayal. ONE cheif apotechary betrayed Sylvanas' orders. The rest is only done out of self preservations, like the conflicts between the Alliance and Horde.
Not trying to blame it on the Forsaken in general, but the fact still stands; they were told not to use it anymore and turned Southshore into a slime-pit with it. Purtress' fault or not, not following the orders of the Warchief - which Sylvanas made apparent she never had any attention of doing during a worgen quest in Gilneas - don't give the living race of the Horde much reason to trust them.
Post by
Adamsm
Sylvanas is the one who ordered the Blight.
That said....the 'Must always be a Lich King' is still the biggest bunch of bull#$%^ out of Azeroth lore; even with the new 'army' in the Citadel, it wouldn't have been enough to over run the world, and if Bolvar does have full control, there is nothing stopping him from forcing every single undead member of the Scourge to walk into the Basin and let the Pillar completely eradicate them. Ergo, in the future, prepare for the Scourge 2.0: Blizzard needed an idea.
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