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Viability, duel wield tanking in blood
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138583
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DraconisAerius
More like it would be like a Pally or War tank not using a shield.....
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168916
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Post by
atomicwolf22
@ OP or those that agree with the op.
How do you plan on getting by not have the damage reduction talent
?
There is one of these talents in all tank spec for all classes. And with out the talent you will go spalt in 1-2 hits as the boss will crit on you. And just for a little more mud in your eye there is no way to bypass this do to wear Blizzard put the talent in the tree currently.
So get this threw your thick skulls. Blood is the
only
spec for dk tanks.
Post by
Doring
If you're not familiar with DK tanking, imagine a druid tank who uses a 1H mace because it has dodge on it. Pretty much the same issue.
Its nowhere near. As long as wep dps is superior it may be even viable upgrade.
Imagine paladin tank using spell power weapon and spellcaster offhand frill.
Imagine warr tank using dagger.
Ummm, no.
2 one handers won't have equal stats to a 2 hander, the DPs is ok but speed means it won't hit as hard and your threat suffers. Less stats, lower single hit damage, lower threat = not viable. Blood means 2 hand tanking period.
Post by
Monday
If you're not familiar with DK tanking, imagine a druid tank who uses a 1H mace because it has dodge on it. Pretty much the same issue.
Its nowhere near. As long as wep dps is superior it may be even viable upgrade.
Imagine paladin tank using spell power weapon and spellcaster offhand frill.
Imagine warr tank using dagger.
Ummm, no.
2 one handers won't have equal stats to a 2 hander, the DPs is ok but speed means it won't hit as hard and your threat suffers. Less stats, lower single hit damage, lower threat = not viable. Blood means 2 hand tanking period.
I think he was referring to druid one handers, not DK.
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138583
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DraconisAerius
You mean like going from a 316 to a 359 for example?
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Post by
sfagias
Wat are you talking about? I DW tank and have no threat with raid ready dps...And this is in blood spec in fact this is the spec I use
DK DW Spec
Has any of you people who are saying DW Dk Tanking isn't viable actually tried it or are you saying its not viable because you think it isn't? Survivability? Yeah no probs there too...its all about if you know what the hell your doing and have the gear to do it....yea there is going to be a threat problem if the dps are far more geared than you, but this goes for any tank. Oh and the advantage of DW tanking is the avoidance boost. Yes I know the mastery is something awesome and I have a 35% avoidance and 22 mastery...soooo yea if you wanna DW Tank make sure your geared for it...enchants and gems will help big time. There is nothing saying that you are not allowed to DW tank just like there's nothing saying you can't DW unholy or 2h frost it's all preference. That's why we play WoW because it's fun and we can play however we want to.
I wonder with what DPSers you are raiding with... The lower threat generation of Blood DW is a fact. It's Numerical and can't be denyed whatever people might say. Unless you prove otherwise using math the argument that Blood DW threat is fine is invalid. If you do not generate enough threat, you gimp the DPSers of your raid. They will have to underperform in order to not die by overaggroing and wipe the raid, if the boss does a conal attack etc. This is why DW Blood is not viable. You can have all the mastery of the world but your TPS will still be bad enough.
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atomicwolf22
Wat are you talking about? I DW tank and have no threat with raid ready dps...And this is in blood spec in fact this is the spec I use
DK DW Spec
Has any of you people who are saying DW Dk Tanking isn't viable actually tried it or are you saying its not viable because you think it isn't? Survivability? Yeah no probs there too...its all about if you know what the hell your doing and have the gear to do it....yea there is going to be a threat problem if the dps are far more geared than you, but this goes for any tank. Oh and the advantage of DW tanking is the avoidance boost. Yes I know the mastery is something awesome and I have a 35% avoidance and 22 mastery...soooo yea if you wanna DW Tank make sure your geared for it...enchants and gems will help big time. There is nothing saying that you are not allowed to DW tank just like there's nothing saying you can't DW unholy or 2h frost it's all preference. That's why we play WoW because it's fun and we can play however we want to.
Sorry but stats on 2 1H Weapons of equall item level are never going to be that of a 2H weapon.
Soul Blade
x2 vs.
Akirus the Worm-Breaker
Sorry but the 2H weapon has the better stats.
Also there will be some threat issuse as you don't have the other talent in the Frost Tree and causes your off-hand to hit your target.
So when you Dw tank your really only hitting with your main hand weapon which isn't going to allow you to build up threat. Veng. is a nice ability for tanks but if the dps pull off you because you hit like a wet noddle then its not going to help as you want be gaining extra Attack Power.
By having low Threat gen. you cause your dps to have to watch there aggro. Which means less dps on the boss and means that your going to be hitting Enrage Timers on some if not all bosses and will
Wipe your raid
.
Also note that there are a few bosses that require the tanks to switch back and forth. Your not going to be able to have a good threat lead vs. another tank.
Post by
Trishi
The argument isn't about it being possible or not, as I think that's what the OP means. It is possible, and can be pulled off with sufficient gear and experience. Remember Enhancement Shaman in Wrath? I had one I actually healed heroics with, flawlessly, while doing quite decent damage as well.
So is it possible? Most certainly.
Should you do this in a raid situation? No.
This is the whole you < everyone argument. It's cool that you want to get your moneys worth out of the game, but when you are playing with 9 or 24 other people, the majority rules. You having fun is not a valid reason to use an improper spec/gear set. Typically, when people do raids, they do them to kill bosses and get loot. By using improper weapons, you are not just gimping yourself - you are making it harder for
everyone
, for no other reason than "I want to have fun."
It's your money, and your game time. And I suppose it is the raid leaders fault if he/she invites you, and lets you stay, after figuring out you are dual wielding. But still, if anyone complains, I wouldn't start an argument with them. That'd only make you look like a fool, I'm afraid.
Post by
DraconisAerius
I suppose it would be an interesting way to challenge yourself. For when you get bored and things feel too easy.
It's your money, and your game time. And I suppose it is the raid leaders fault if he/she invites you, and lets you stay, after figuring out you are dual wielding. But still, if anyone complains, I wouldn't start an argument with them. That'd only make you look like a fool, I'm afraid.
You may think your $15usd a month allows you to play whatever way you like... But the rest of the raids $135usd a month is saying "Get F***ed".
I saw this in someones sig on here awhile ago, seems appropriate for this situation.
Post by
Monday
The argument isn't about it being possible or not, as I think that's what the OP means. It is possible, and can be pulled off with sufficient gear and experience. Remember Enhancement Shaman in Wrath? I had one I actually healed heroics with, flawlessly, while doing quite decent damage as well.
Because one class healing while DPS'ing is totally the same as a completely different class with a different basis that wears different armor doing something completely different.
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