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Post by
shadowhand911
With all the buzz and frustration that blizz is now going to nerf BWD, ToT4W, and BoT alot of people have got mad/rage quit. What if blizz just did what they did in WotLK where they increased the amount of damage dealt, by 5%,10%,15%,30% in ICC. I cant remember exactly what the buff was called but you always had the option of turning it off when entering the raid. Do u think blizz could just do the same thing with the Cata raids to kinda make "EVERYONE" happy.
Each month/week/bi-week they could increase the buff by a % all the way up to 30% making guilds/pugs able to clear the cata raids easier?
Does anyone else think that could work or am i just barking up the wrong tree here?
Post by
OverZealous
Everyone wouldn't be happy. Because then someone would accuse them of repeating themselves, of wanting to go back to WOTLK, of being racist, there's no limit on how demanding the WoW-community can be at times; there's really no solution to suit everyone.
Besides, Blizzard
wants
everyone to be able to more or less rush through the first tier of raiding once 4.3 hits. They've put alot of resources into it, and they want to (logically) make as many people as possible see it. They don't give a crap about whether or not people want difficulty in the 4.1 content, if they do, they'll go for Heroic raids. The normals are meant to be pugable once the next patch hits.
Post by
120504
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Post by
Gone
Ugh no, please never again with that @#$%. I think the raid nerfs are bull#$%^, but as long as they leave the current content alone I guess Im fine.
Post by
Porcell
With all the buzz and frustration that blizz is now going to nerf BWD, ToT4W, and BoT
alot
of people have got mad/rage quit.
Data?
What if blizz just did what they did in WotLK where they increased the amount of damage dealt, by 5%,10%,15%,30% in ICC.
Damage boost is the same end result as a boss nerf.
Keep in mind this is for normal modes. Honestly, any player who wanted to see 12/12 normal modes when they were "hard" have had the opportunity to do so over the past six months. The nerf will allow people to PuG the content now with little difficulty and allow speedy gearing of Alt characters. They aren't ruining the game for anyone.
Post by
OverZealous
With all the buzz and frustration that blizz is now going to nerf BWD, ToT4W, and BoT
alot
of people have got mad/rage quit.
Data?
Yes, please.
Post by
Patty
Blizzard can't please all of the people all of the time. :P I think that maybe having an option to tune the first tier fights as nerfed or pre-4.2 would keep the most people quiet (damage numbers were very skewed by damage buffs in ICC, as it wasn't a measure of your true DPS), but there will still be those complaining that raids shouldn't be changed to cater for the 'less skilled' players.
Personally, I'm glad that they're nerfing the fights, because it should hopefully make the progression from T11 content to T12 content smoother and less sharp than it was in TBC (when if someone joined a hardcore guild in, say, Black Temple, when they levelled to the max they had to be boosted through Kara and Gruuls' and SSC/TK first), and hopefully less ridiculous - to the point of being able to be done by 5 mans alone - as it was in WotLK. Hopefully they won't nerf it so much that the balance is tipped one way or another, though.
Post by
Gone
Blizzard can't please all of the people all of the time. :P I think that maybe having an option to tune the first tier fights as nerfed or pre-4.2 would keep the most people quiet (damage numbers were very skewed by damage buffs in ICC, as it wasn't a measure of your true DPS), but there will still be those complaining that raids shouldn't be changed to cater for the 'less skilled' players.
Personally, I'm glad that they're nerfing the fights, because it should hopefully make the progression from T11 content to T12 content smoother and less sharp than it was in TBC (when if someone joined a hardcore guild in, say, Black Temple, when they levelled to the max they had to be boosted through Kara and Gruuls' and SSC/TK first), and hopefully less ridiculous - to the point of being able to be done by 5 mans alone - as it was in WotLK. Hopefully they won't nerf it so much that the balance is tipped one way or another, though.
Yea but thats why we have the badge system now, people will be able to get a lot of BIS epics and most of their teir with JP, IMO theres no need to nerf all the raids like that. I mean if I was in a
bad
lower progression guild I wouldnt want the stuff nerfed this bad anyway, Idk how you feel any sence of acomplishment that way. When my guild finaly downed nef for the first time we went nuts in vent, its that great feeling that just makes raiding worth while. And by making all the bosses this easy they are robbing players of the opritunity to feel that for themselves.
EDIT: Plus why do they have to make the Dark Phoneix look cool NOW when there gonna be all over the place with these nerfs... QQ
Post by
Porcell
Yea but thats why we have the badge system now, people will be able to get a lot of BIS epics and most of their teir with JP
I don't think you know what BiS means. Even currently you can not get BiS epics with Valor points, let alone Justice points. And when the patch comes out, the 359 epics you will get from Justice Points will be THREE LEVELS removed from Best in Slot (heroic T11, regular T12, and heroic T12).
Do you begrudge people loading up on "free" 346 gear from Justice Points and heroic dungeons?
And by making all the bosses this easy they are robbing players of the opritunity to feel that for themselves.
Oh, I see, your concern is for people who haven't done the content yet and that Blizzard is robbing them of the opportunity for accomplishment. How sympathetic of you, looking out for others that way. Except your next comment betrays you:
EDIT: Plus why do they have to make the Dark Phoneix look cool NOW when there gonna be all over the place with these nerfs... QQ
This is the root of EVERYONE complaining about the nerfs; "I did it when it was hard and now people will get to do it when it's easier, and that takes away from my accomplishment." It takes nothing away from your experience.
Post by
Gone
Yea but thats why we have the badge system now, people will be able to get a lot of BIS epics and most of their teir with JP
I don't think you know what BiS means. Even currently you can not get BiS epics with Valor points, let alone Justice points. And when the patch comes out, the 359 epics you will get from Justice Points will be THREE LEVELS removed from Best in Slot (heroic T11, regular T12, and heroic T12).
Ummm yea no. Best in slot means best in that teir.
Oh, I see, your concern is for people who haven't done the content yet and that Blizzard is robbing them of the opportunity for accomplishment. How sympathetic of you, looking out for others that way. Except your next comment betrays you"
Ok put it back in your pants
This is the root of EVERYONE complaining about the nerfs; "I did it when it was hard and not people will get to do it when it's easier, and that takes away from my accomplishment." It takes nothing away from your experience.
Two things.
1) Lol getting the Dark Phoneix is hard?
2) Did I say that? I said that this whole time the mount looked like a fairy and now there making it look cool but Stormwind/Ogrimar will be flooded with them. Its like that winged lion, may be the coolest mount ive ever seen, and they are all over the place, ruins the effect.
EDIT: And you know what yes, I will admit I dont like the fact that people can do it easy now. Shoot me im the devil, but yes to me it cheapens the experience of working so hard for it when everybody will be able to do it after Blizzard nerfs it into the ground, and Im not the only one. They make the raids difficult for a reason, so people have to work for it. There we go, Im the worst person on the planet QQ.
EDIT#2: Not to mention the worst nerf of all... the keyring...
^ joke
Post by
Adamsm
That's the point of the nerf; Old Content will be Old, and you should be in the New Content. Just like how Naxx/OS/Eye and Ulduar were a breeze when you went back to do them with TotC or ICC gear. Anyone complaining about it needs to grow up, get their heads out of their butts and realize this is a game for everyone, not a select few.
Post by
Porcell
Ummm yea no. Best in slot in this case means best in that teir.
Um, no one uses the term "Best In Slot" to mean anything other than the best possible item in the slot, unless you qualify it in some way such as a "Pre-Raid BiS" item list or "Level 19 Twink BiS" list, which you didn't. "You can get Best In Slot epics with Justice Points" is just a flatly incorrect statement no matter how you cut it.
Ok put it back in your pants
I don't even know what you mean by this. I'm calling out your "Think of the children!" comment as a red herring.
This is the root of EVERYONE complaining about the nerfs; "I did it when it was hard and not people will get to do it when it's easier, and that takes away from my accomplishment." It takes nothing away from your experience.
Two things.
1) Lol getting the Dark Phoneix is hard?
2) Did I say that? I said that this whole time the mount looked like a fairy and now there making it look cool but Stormwind/Ogrimar will be flooded with them. Its like that winged lion, may be the coolest mount ive ever seen, and they are all over the place, ruins the effect.
I took your "My dark pheonix is not going to be rare" comment and expanded it to "My achievements of downing XXX boss or working for YYY gear is not going to be rare."
Also, WTF? You say "Where did I say that!" so indignantly, and then immediately say "Yes, that's exactly how I feel."
EDIT: And you know what yes, I will admit I dont like the fact that people can do it easy now. Shoot me im the devil, but yes to me it cheapens the experience of working so hard for it when everybody will be able to do it after Blizzard nerfs it into the ground, and Im not the only one. They make the raids difficult for a reason, so people have to work for it.
"I feel this way and I'm not the only one." This is EXACTLY what I said. People are pissed because they feel that people doing nerfed old content and getting old rewards somehow cheapens their accomplishment. Sorry, that's your hangup. You should be out doing your new accomplishments in Firelands. Do you give a @#$% that people can run Ulduar or ICC and get achievements and gear and Drakes? You shouldn't, and you shouldn't care about T11 either; it's the same thing.
Post by
91278
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Post by
Gone
Ummm yea no. Best in slot in this case means best in that teir.
Um, no one uses the term "Best In Slot" to mean anything other than the best possible item in the slot, unless you qualify it in some way such as a "Pre-Raid BiS" item list or "Level 19 Twink BiS" list.
Ive heard it used both ways, in this case I obviously meant best in teir. If what you said was the case than no gear other than HM peices would ever be refered to as BIS
i don't even know what you mean by this. I'm calling out your "Think of the children!" comment as a red herring.
I meant it as kind of like 'ease up there man', your post just seemed a tad hostile considering I was just saying I didnt aprove of the nerfs. Sorry if I misread it though, this is the internet after all where things such as this get lost in transition.
took your "My dark pheonix is not going to be rare" comment and expanded it to "My achievements of downing XXX boss or working for YYY gear is not going to be rare."
I was more refering to, like I said the fact that they will be everywhere. That is kind of how I feel though, like I said I feel liek it cheapens the experience of raiding when its all just going to get nerfed anyway. Didnt mean to sound indignant, just so used to people jumping down my throat as soon as I complain about the nerfs.
Post by
Astygia
Ive heard it used both ways, in this case I obviously meant best in teir. If what you said was the case than
no gear other than HM peices would ever be refered to as BIS
If an item is Best-in-Slot then it's the best possible item you can put in that slot. Read the three words and think about it for a moment; it's not a difficult concept.
Raid nerfs and tier shuffling are also not difficult to understand, or new concepts. Progression raiders will be at the top-end of the gear grind, while the folks that did not see the content until late will have a much easier time getting gear that is better than what hey had, but still dated, from content that was newer than what they'd seen, but still dated.
I was more refering to, like I said the fact that they will be everywhere. That is kind of how I feel though, like I said I feel liek it cheapens the experience of raiding when its all just going to get nerfed anyway. Didnt mean to sound indignant, just so used to people jumping down my throat as soon as I complain about the nerfs.
The Archaeology 2h Swords are everywhere. There are Kingslayers everywhere. I can't go 3 minutes in Stormwind without seeing one of the new flaming gryphon things flying past. Welcome to WoW, where the community quickly learns of cool things and then rushes to get them.
Progression raiders raid for the challenge and the bragging rights of being the first, or among the first, to clear the latest content. The gear is a necessary tool to keep this edge, not their sole motivation. If your pixel goodies somehow mean less to you because numerous other people attain them months after you did, that's a personal problem.
Post by
Gone
Ive heard it used both ways, in this case I obviously meant best in teir. If what you said was the case than
no gear other than HM peices would ever be refered to as BIS
If an item is Best-in-Slot then it's the best possible item you can put in that slot. Read the three words and think about it for a moment; it's not a difficult concept.
Again I have heard the term best in slot refered to an item that is best in teir. If you really want I can bring up a bunch of quites off of items comment sections, but I dont see the point in arguing about how I phrased something. Unless somebody is very unfortunatly simple, then they understand what I meant.
Progression raiders raid for the challenge and the bragging rights of being the first, or among the first, to clear the latest content. The gear is a necessary tool to keep this edge, not their sole motivation. If your pixel goodies somehow mean less to you because numerous other people attain them months after you did, that's a personal problem
People can get geared with the badge system, thats not why Blizzard is doing it.
I really dont get why people always have such a problem with me not wanting or complaining about the nerfs (but i think i have an idea)
Post by
Hank
Blizzard has a track record of nerfing outdated content, or making items easier to obtain as time goes on. If you are still stuck in the 'I did it the hard way, everyone should do it the hard way' mindset, you will be fighting an uphill battle the rest of your WoW-playing days.
Post by
Porcell
Unless somebody is very unfortunatly simple, then they understand what I meant.
Yeah, you meant to say "They can get epics with JPs." There's nothing BiS about them.
People can get geared with the badge system, thats not why Blizzard is doing it.
I really dont get why people always have such a problem with me not wanting or complaining about the nerfs (but i think i have an idea)
They can get a Cloak, Chest, Gloves, Legs, Boots, Ring, Trinket, and Relic. 7 or 8 of the possible 17 slots, and some of the items are horrible depending on class. You can't just get geared with the badge system.
Post by
Gone
Unless somebody is very unfortunatly simple, then they understand what I meant.
Yeah, you meant to say "They can get epics with JPs." There's nothing BiS about them.
Is this really still being brought up?
*deep breath*
Best in slot, in this case meant best 359 ilvl items availible. It does not always have to mean best in that item slot, it is often used to describe best in teir. People will use it to describe blue peices, raid peices, and HM peices all respectivly.
They can get a Cloak, Chest, Gloves, Legs, Boots, Ring, Trinket, and Relic. 7 or 8 of the possible 17 slots, and some of the items are horrible depending on class. You can't just get geared with the badge system.
With all that, plus the new VP gear, plus the more easily acessed of the firelands gear, people should be able to down bosses without nerfing them this extreme. Ive seen Blizzard nerf outdated content before, but this they went through with a wood chipper.
Post by
pezz
Honestly, any player who wanted to see 12/12 normal modes when they were "hard" have had the opportunity to do so over the past six months
... Apart from people who came into the expansion in the past month, and people who will continue to come into the expansion in coming months.
But at a certain point you can't help those people. By that logic they should scale everything in TK up because 'some people came late.'
I appreciate that those people are missing out on something that's happened in the past, but there's not much to be done about it. An MMO of this caliber has to focus on the preset tier of content.
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