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Post by
killerdinoblood
Hi folks.
So i find myself wondering about the great
Apocalypse
very often during the day.And i understand how people say to themselves ''
Nothing is going to happe...
''ín order to sleep peacefully during the night.But just think about it,humanity deserves destruction.Humans are raping the planet,killing animals,cutting down forests etc.Not that it matters to nature but Humans are killing themselves slowly.Criminality and Terrorism is a fact,a dreaded fact that has taken many lives.The way humans live is just...disturbing.Working day and night just to get some fancy coloured paper in order to survive and have something to eat.If nothing happens in 2012 Humans will prolly kill themselves eventually because there way of life is simply depressing.Diseases,suicide and murder are the things which will destroy Humans.
I just wanted to hear your toughs about this,do you like your way of life and the way of life of other people?
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190432
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Post by
Pwntiff
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Humans have nearly always believed the everything was supposed to under their dominion. Is humanity being overzealous about? Probably.
Animals kill other animals as well though, and not all humans hunt solely for sport. Logging is, to a certain extent, a necessity. It would be better to plants groves for the express purpose of growing timber, but that requires large amounts of land and time. Crime and terrorism don't really enter in to things because that's not humanity turning on itself, that's humans turning against humans. Working to earn something of value to exchange for something else has been around since the dawn of civilization. Diseases aren't human-made, and suicide and murder are done by humans.
You're really all over the board here, and not all that coherent.
Is humanity ugly? Yes. Can humans create things of beauty? Yes.
I believe this is relevant.
Post by
ArgentSun
Criminals all over the world go by unpunished, and I've seen no great judge in nature who plans on making us, humankind, pay for our crimes. Moreover, I don't think we are at the point where we can screw the planet enough to bring about our own end. Sure, we can do quite a bit of harm to each other, but I doubt we are going to wipe ourselves out anytime soon.
So I'll pass on this apocalypse thing.
Post by
Pwntiff
Also relevant
The world and the universe don't care about humanity. We could make the planet completely uninhabitable to human life, but there will still be some form of life that will survive, and as long as we didn't eject the atmosphere and/or most of the water into space, the planet will eventually recover itself to pre-Industrial-Era status.
Post by
killerdinoblood
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Waoh,after reading this my faith in God is slightly shaken.So he/she actually stated that humans should rule the Earth itself and dominate on it?Really?Im kinda dissapointed...as for the other things i agree with you Pwntiff.Humanity is ugly and can yet create something of beauty.But sadly,the bad stuff are much more then the good stuff :(.
Im not sure if something like this exists but is there some book about Satan which says what he thinks about this?Or something like this...
Post by
Pwntiff
Not sure, but if the end of Genesis 1 shakes your faith, try reading Job.
Post by
killerdinoblood
What is this Job?Im pretty religious but im yet to read the Bible.if you can give me a link or something i'll be very thankful :).
Post by
Pwntiff
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job+1&version=NIV
You can pick the translation you're most comfortable with.
Also,
Schedule to read the Bible in 90 days.
Post by
OverZealous
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.” Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Humans have nearly always believed the everything was supposed to under their dominion. Is humanity being
overzealous
about? Probably.
Animals kill other animals as well though, and not all humans hunt solely for sport. Logging is, to a certain extent, a necessity. It would be better to plants groves for the express purpose of growing timber, but that requires large amounts of land and time. Crime and terrorism don't really enter in to things because that's not humanity turning on itself, that's humans turning against humans. Working to earn something of value to exchange for something else has been around since the dawn of civilization. Diseases aren't human-made, and suicide and murder are done by humans.
You're really all over the board here, and not all that coherent.
Is humanity ugly? Yes. Can humans create things of beauty? Yes.
QFT
You seem very anti-human in your reasoning, killerdinoblood. Yes, terrorism and crime are fact. But rage and hatred are constants, something we can not remove. People
do
get angry, and when angry, application of lethal force is much more common. Because that is what most kinds of terrorism are based in, some kind of rage.
I mean it's not like animals are all happy and peaceful, predators have killed defenseless animals for millions of years.
Yes, if we continiue to live as we do today, the human race will eventually kill itself, that is correct. But what you fail to realize, it seems, is that people
are
doing something. People are trying their best to save as much of the earth as possible, to help their fellow man, to preserve the rainforests, and to help each other.
The whole "WE HAVE KILLED OURSELF OH DEAR THE END IS UPON US *Tin-foil hat*"-attitude is brutally unnecessary.
Diseases mostly aren't man-made, either. Our way of life has increased the amount of victims to some diseases, yes, but we have also discovered multiple ways to cure many previously lethal diseases. And as someone said;
"A virus doesn't care. It just happens"
There would have been diseases ravaging the planet even if we hadn't been here in the first place.
I'm sorry but I think you're just plain out wrong here, things are bad, yes, very bad, even, but the apocalypse isn't upon us yet. And besides, if you don't want to work day and night for some fancy "Coloured paper", there is always moving to the poorer parts of Africa or Asia. But for some reason, I don't think you're willing to go that far to prove your point.
As always, no offense intended.
Post by
Pwntiff
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Is humanity ugly? Yes. Can humans create things of beauty? Yes.
QFT
Tangential statement: I was actually making this observation just a couple days ago, and a couple weeks ago I was driving to a trailhead and saw a vista not too different from
this
, and the first thought that popped into my mind literally was "My god, that is beautiful."
There are very few man-made creations I find truly beautiful, but there still are some out there. Mostly works of art, such as an exquisite painting, photograph, or written work, or something purely intangible like heritage. I'd love to visit Ireland and the UK, Bavaria, and Switzerland, just to see the heritage that's left to see.
Post by
killerdinoblood
You seem very anti-human in your reasoning, killerdinoblood.
Well,yes i am.No offense to any of you guys ofcourse but when i refer to Humans i never use ''We'' since im kidna ashamed to call myself a Human.Its just a personal thing...
I mean it's not like animals are all happy and peaceful, predators have killed defenseless animals for millions of years.
In their world its all fair.They fight Claw to Claw and Teeth to Teeth.Yes you may say its unfair since a Tiger has razor sharp claws and the instict of a killer while compared to an elephant...but its all delicately balanced.Elephants are smarter (they move in groups,this is what i mean by smart aldo Packs of Lions are also smart ofcourse) and large.So Tigers/Predators have great offensive capabilities while most herbivores have resepctable deffense.But when you compare guns,bombs and other man-made weapons to the deffensive/offensive capabilities of an animal..its kinda unfair.
Yes, if we continiue to live as we do today, the human race will eventually kill itself, that is correct. But what you fail to realize, it seems, is that people
are
doing something. People are trying their best to save as much of the earth as possible, to help their fellow man, to preserve the rainforests, and to help each other.
The whole "WE HAVE KILLED OURSELF OH DEAR THE END IS UPON US *Tin-foil hat*"-attitude is brutally unnecessary.
It is an unavoidable fact that
some
people
are
doing something.But people arent trying their best.The people actually intrested in saving the planet are a very small community compared to the #$%^&*! terrorists,murderers,criminals and etc.One of the baddest qualities Mankind has is ignorance and selfishness.Exactly those idiotic people kill and murder in order to get this ''
fancy coloured pape
r'' in question.Those people on the other hand cause depression which results in suicide.It is those people that must face the Apocalypse and the few people actually trying to save the planet->humanity must be rewarded.What is the reward?The reward is living in a world without the pathetic Terrorists,murderers etc.
Diseases mostly aren't man-made, either. Our way of life has increased the amount of victims to some diseases, yes, but we have also discovered multiple ways to cure many previously lethal diseases. And as someone said;
"A virus doesn't care. It just happens"
There would have been diseases ravaging the planet even if we hadn't been here in the first place.
Yes there will always be diseases.But they would be less if humans didnt existed.Every century brings about new diseases that end the lives of many animals,plants and humans.
Im sorry but I think you're just plain out wrong here, things are bad, yes, very bad, even, but the apocalypse isn't upon us yet. And besides, if you don't want to work day and night for some fancy "Coloured paper", there is always moving to the poorer parts of Africa or Asia. But for some reason, I don't think you're willing to go that far to prove your point.
Yes im not going to go there just to prove my point that is correct :<.But exactly in those continents pathetic terrorists reside.Thats why i will never allow myself to live there.
Post by
OverZealous
Well,yes i am.No offense to any of you guys ofcourse but when i refer to Humans i never use ''We'' since im kidna ashamed to call myself a Human.Its just a personal thing...
Fair enough, but I would suggest you leave personal opinions out of arguments. It makes for more clear and objective standpoints.
It is an unavoidable fact that some people are doing something.But people arent trying their best.The people actually intrested in saving the planet are a very small community compared to the #$%^&*! terrorists,murderers,criminals and etc.One of the baddest qualities Mankind has is ignorance and selfishness.Exactly those idiotic people kill and murder in order to get this ''fancy coloured paper'' in question.Those people on the other hand cause depression which results in suicide.It is those people that must face the Apocalypse and the few people actually trying to save the planet->humanity must be rewarded.What is the reward?The reward is living in a world without the pathetic Terrorists,murderers etc.
I believe you underestimate the amount of people actually doing something, and even if you've got your numbers right, i respectfully disagree. Many people are trying very hard to save anything and anyone they can. Also, while criminals, terrorists, murderers and generally bad people appear on the news and in newspapers all over the world every day, they are fewer than you think. Noone notes the woman who has saved two-hundred children by supplying them with food and warm beds, but the man who killed three innocents gets
a lot
of attention. It's the way news works, and it gives us a distorted image of the world we live in.
Ignorance and selfishness are two of our worst qualities, i whole-heartedly agree there, but every man, woman and child is ignorant, greedy and selfish in some degree. Surely you have wanted something only for yourself in your life?
That isn't saying killing for your own benefit is something acceptable, at all.
Yes there will always be diseases.But they would be less if humans didnt existed.Every century brings about new diseases that end the lives of many animals,plants and humans.
But every century also brings about the eradication of many diseases. We are afraid of, as your signature cleverly says, the unknown. Remember the Swine Flu-hysteria less than two years ago? We had a vaccine within months. HIV and Aids both have treatments that slows the progression of the diseases in question, allowing the victim to live a near-normal life.
Cancer? Tumors can be removed, something that could not be done in the past. Cancer was a death sentence; something it no longer is. Of course, there are still tumors that cannot be removed because they are in dangerous locations within the body.
Antibiotics allows for quick and painless treatment of most minor to severe diseases.
Yes, new diseases are discovered, but we are hardly the cause to most of them.
Yes im not going to go there just to prove my point that is correct :<.But exactly in those continents pathetic terrorists reside.Thats why i will never allow myself to live there.
Terrorists also reside in France, in Canada, in Thailand, in Great Brittain, in the U.S. Anywhere, really. If you want to live in a place where there are no murderers or terrorists, move to the moon.
I have spent several six-month stays in Kenya, two month-long stays in Kongo and several vacations in Egypt and Thailand. Most people there are nicer than people back home in Sweden. Trust me, people aren't all terrorists just because they look like them terrorists in al-Qaeda the mass-media are bombing us with.
Still, no offense intended, this is just a subject I feel very strongly for!
Post by
ArgentSun
You can hardly be objective in your opinion about the end of the world or the fate of humankind :)
Post by
OverZealous
You can hardly be objective in your opinion about the end of the world or the fate of humankind :)
Heh, fair point I suppose :p
My point goes for any kind of argument though, if you're asking for the opinions of other people, it's generally preferrable to be objective, or people might end up bashing you instead of your argument ^^
Post by
variable303
I'm absolutely trashed right now, but I'll try to post something coherent...
It sounds to me like you're a misguided misanthrope who has chosen to pay far more attention to the evils of humanity while turning a blind eye to the beauty and kindness we're capable of. Are we capable of cruelty? Yes. Are our consumption patterns selfish. Often times, yes.. Would there be less disease and destruction if we didn't exist? Yes. Taken to an extreme degree, removing all forms of life would reduce disease to zero. Is this something to strive toward?
All too often, we're bombarded by news about terrible acts of terrorism, violence, scandal, environmental degradation, etc., and because so, it's easy to become fixated on those things. However, you rarely hear about the countless random acts of kindness that occur day-to-day because...well...because it's so normal. Maybe I'm naive in thinking this, but I truly believe that most human beings are intrinsically good people, guided by a fairly universal set of values (don't kill, steal, lie, etc.). Moreover, while all of us will occasionally deviate from our beliefs, I believe that people follow such values because they believe in them.
Much of what your saying appears to stem from a concern regarding the environment. However, it appears that you're completely ignoring the fact that there many people who do care about the environment. Just because someone doesn't devote their life to environmental causes doesn't mean they don't care about saving the planet. Saving the planet stems from everyone chipping in, altering their lives however slightly to reduce their ecological footprint. It happens when we turn of a lights, sort recyclables, properly dispose of batteries, etc... In fact, I'd say the very fact that environmental issues have taken center stage recently is a testament to how much humanity cares as a whole. If the everyone made saving the environment a full time priority, then we'd cease to function as a species.
You warn of an apocalypse, which on its own has a religious origin. If you're Christian, then you should know that human life is sacred, something to be cherished and celebrated. Don't get me wrong...I love animals. However, I also know that we're capable of far more than any other species on Earth. If you stop focusing only on humanity's flaws and try to look at the big picture you'll enjoy life much more when you see how much goodness is all around you.
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Azazel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZMwKPmsbWE
That's pretty much all I have to say about the matter.
A classic.
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