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Post by
AWildmann
Well at least we got a choice that seem both viable.
Using a drain life filler might be a little lower depending of the fight, but it helps the healer a tad bit by healing ourselves, and on less stressed healing fight we can just spam SB.
But I do that on my 32/3/6 build, not on the 31/7/3 which would be ideal for DL.
Post by
DraconisAerius
I agree. To be honest for a moment I don't think that basing your spec choice on what does the most dps is the right way to do it when your guild is working on progression. My belief is that it's much better for everyone to survive the fight and actually complete a new boss, than dredging out maybe another few hundred dps. So far in current content I've found that it's much better for the raid as a whole for me to use my utility spells, such as Neather Ward and Glyph of Shadowflame, than to not. Of course this is in 10man content, where we have a much smaller pool of abilities to draw from. In 25man I can see it being less of an issue since the group as a whole has more slows, stuns and healers.
However if you are just doing content which is seen as trivial, since your group out gears it, and things like slows are not really needed, then yes basing your spec choice on what you will do the most dps with is a damn good idea. But frankly at that point you're going to do the most dps in the spec you are most practiced at, more often than not.
Post by
asakawa
So, it's being reported that the Drain Life hotfix (to the LIVE game) was actually a full 25% nerf to both base and coefficient. Is anyone still using DL filler and have they noticed this?
If it is the case then the PTR is very likely to follow sooner or later.
Post by
Rekijan
Uhm I am, and I am still doing the most dps of my guild :P
If you want here is our guild logs:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/guilds/134934/
I am the only warlock in our guild :P
Post by
asakawa
But your average tick on DL has gone from 5461 (11-5) to 4141 (25-5) - the Hotfix was applied on the 19th.
This is a reduction to 75.83% of what it was before - surprisingly close to the 25% expected.
Post by
Rekijan
Well then that is annoying. Not a math wizard myself, but 25% is kinda big. But is it big enough to switch to AffSB?
Post by
asakawa
Well, it's pretty big but, as you say, you still topped the meters and did, by all accounts, very well even after the nerf.
I really think that this sort of thing exemplifies SimCraft's weakness when it comes to telling you about real fights. Moving from patchwerk tests to real fights it's the filler spell that drops down to ~10% of your damage done while the main DoTs are doing 60%+
I shouldn't say "weakness", SimCraft does what it does
very
well but still needs interpreting to make the info useful to us in real situations.
If you don't have a particular distaste for SB then it would be interesting to see results for if you used SB filler in your next raid.
Post by
Rekijan
I will give that a go, tonights raid is our progression night against Chimaeron HC though, so not a good fight to make the switch on. I will let you know when I have an SB log.
Post by
asakawa
Indeed, don't mess up your progression in the name of science ^_^
Post by
AWildmann
Well, unless my 10man raid has a shaman with the 10% spell power debuff I'm gonna stay demo, I wish I could continue as affliction but I think I rather be buffing other dps and healer than wishing my DL to be useful :(
Post by
Rekijan
Well first off all I assume you mean 10% sp buff instead of debuff, and secondly its only a 4% increase over a mage buff. Which to me makes it feel less useful, then again we have an elemental shaman on the roster though he is not always there.
Post by
vykas
I made the switch from Drain Life to Shadow Bolt not too long ago (but before the hotfix was applied). I have a few logs if that'll help.
Conclave:
Drain Life
5/05
4/29
Shadow Bolt
5/17
5/05
Edit:
If it helps here is when I switched to Shadow Bolt:
Logs
5/17 actual!
Post by
asakawa
Actually both those links are from before the fix and in both you're using DL (29-4 and 5-5).
However, I was mostly interested in if Rekijan him(/her)self might see a difference by switching to SB, attempting to compare apples to apples as much as possible (a mostly futile attempt given the complexity of the situations).
Interestingly, the drop is
starting to show
in parses now.
Post by
vykas
did i really link the wrong ones? boo!
Anyway, I'm still trying to figure out exactly what that raid tool is showing. The "spec score" seems really strange.
I guess what I don't get is how you can determine from that chart how the 25% nerf has affected Affliction warlocks? The spec score is some convoluted metric that takes the average of all specs and applies it to a curve or something. If this was at all an accurate gauge then wouldn't the trend lines be similar for all sizes of raids and all difficulties? It seems weird that while the H25 shows that dramatic drop, the H10 is fairly static. Yet, both show a steady increase in DPS.
Not to sound combative or anything, I'm not, I'm just trying to understand myself. I'm still new to looking at this data so most of my conclusions have come from my own inferences.
Post by
asakawa
Spec score is pretty good. It takes the top spec on each fight and gives it a score of 100 then every spec below it gets a score of their percent of that top spec's output. It's a comparison against other specs rather than itself but then with people getting new gear the graphs will always go up so comparing against other specs is the only way to get a meaningful number.
That said, I was totally cherry-picking (and I nearly admitted it in that post but decided not to in the end because it was a fairly flippant point to make).
As you say, 25H isn't the be all and end all. It shows a very specific demographic of players with 10N being the group with the most diversity.
What that shows is that the best player warlocks in the game are seeing their DPS trend downward against the natural incline of damage increasing over time.
Post by
Rekijan
Stupid excuses for a hydra is down.
Latest bathroom break still showed me I am male.
Next raid will be shadow bolting (Monday or Wednesday).
And this hasn't been about 4.2 in ages has it? :P
Post by
asakawa
well, that's blizzard's fault for pushing the major warlock change for 4.2 into a hotfix ^_^
Post by
vykas
That and the OP hasn't updated any of the 4.2 information other than Tier bonuses so it's easier to get sidetracked by the more relevant conversations at hand.
Post by
Fingulfin
so how about dem soulstones? locks finally getting a proper BRez and nobody even posts out of joy D=
Post by
asakawa
Meh, there's very little difference between creating the stone before combat to use in combat and just using the spell directly in combat. It's a bit of convenience but not worth joyful posting.
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