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Osama Bin Laden is dead
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Post by
Liquoid
I have little knowledge about what he did, so my response is "meh".
He was behind November the 9th, didn't you get the memo?
Joking aside, I sincerely hope you are being as sarcastic as I am.
Post by
Uberbane
In all honesty, watching all of this celebration on the news is sickening. It just brings to light how ignorant people in the world (and the US especially). A lot of us simply take stuff like this in the immediate context as opposed to what the future benefits and consequences are. In this case meaning "Yay we get our 'revenge' after 10 years" instead of "We ought to brace ourselves for the &*!@storm that's coming our way".
He didn't do great things for the world, but death / murder are not valid solutions to this.
In my opinion, and from the news stories that I've read for years - it seems like Osama has just been the face of al-Qaeda while the true work was done by his #2 (and now #1), Ayman al-Zawahiri. If anything, this is just going to anger extremists even more, and this death will quickly be followed by more sadness / anger due to the retaliation that I'm sure is being planned even as I am typing this.
Whatever the future holds, people are going to regret that they partied it up tonight.
Post by
lockspwnbruh
No matter what Obama says, bin Laden's not dead until Donald Trump see's his death certificate.
On a more serious note...This shouldn't be as much of a celebration, we should be in mourning that our political pratices have lead to the extermination of human life.Celebrating this, only shows how mislead we all are and that we hold no more value over human life then any of of our enemys. And i think we got a storm comin' our way.
Post by
lockspwnbruh
I have little knowledge about what he did, so my response is "meh".
He was behind September 11th, 2001; the day when multiple U.S. sites were attacked.
"On 9/11/2001, there were a series of coordinated suicide attacks by al-Qaeda upon the United States on September 11, 2001. On that morning, 19 al-Qaeda terrorists hijacked four commercial passenger jet airliners. The hijackers intentionally crashed two of the airliners into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, killing everyone on board and many others working in the buildings. Both towers collapsed within two hours, destroying nearby buildings and damaging others. The hijackers crashed a third airliner into The Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, just outside Washington, D.C. The fourth plane crashed into a field near Shanksville in rural Pennsylvania after some of its passengers and flight crew attempted to retake control of the plane, which the hijackers had redirected toward Washington, D.C., to target either the Capitol Building or the White House. There were no survivors from any of the flights."
Post by
Thror
I think CNN should release a picture of Osama's head on a pole, as a testament to our modern society.
Post by
Liquoid
I think CNN should release a picture of Osama's head on a pole, as a testament to our modern society.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI598ywu0-I
Post by
donnymurph
I just got wood.
Post by
mindthegap5
heh, finally.
Post by
Dragoonman
Yeah... honestly I'm not one to cheer for someone being killed in a fit of revenge. The cycle of hate continues, he was just a face anyway.
But, since people are so excited, maybe they will repeal the patriot act and perhaps lighten up on the body searches at the airport? Not likely. This is most likely just an allusion of social justice.
Post by
Lombax
I don't even care, and why the hell would people cheer about someones death.
Post by
281850
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Post by
Patty
It's not really going to change very much as far as I'm concerned. It's significant, because Bin Laden has been the main villain in the eyes of the west. Now that he's dead, people aren't just going to go "Oh well, may as well go home lol". Others will likely fill that void, and Bin Laden leaves a legacy of anti-Western doctrine that some individuals may literally take to the grave. He's likely being martyred and revered now, and his death could actually strengthen the resolve of the Islamic extremists in the Arab world. Bin Laden's death is probably more symbolic than anything else.
Post by
mindthegap5
You know this will be a level in the campaign of "Modern Warfare 3".
^
Post by
91278
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Post by
LookOut
why the hell would people cheer about someones death.
Because he caused a lot of deaths by setting 9-11 in motion, so according to a
lot of
most people, he deserved to die.
I think CNN should release a picture of Osama's head on a pole, as a testament to our modern society.
QFT
Post by
Lombax
why the hell would people cheer about someones death.
Because he caused a lot of deaths by setting 9-11 in motion, so according to a
lot of
most people, he deserved to die.
He might have deserved to die but I still wouldn't cheer.
Post by
Patty
I love the smell of History in the mornings. Smells like analysis.
(I didn't want to just copy the post over. I do love the comments in this thread, though. World First achievement = win.)
That is such a good argument. I particularly agree about when you go to an airport, it's very unnerving indeed and I bloody hate it because I always fear being stopped and forced to be strip-searched by some grubby overweight man with a latex-gloved chubby hand. It's never happened, but literally every time I go to an airport, I'm bricking it.
Post by
Azazel
You know this will be a level in the campaign of "Modern Warfare 3".
QFT
Post by
Orranis
What I find hilarious is that my dad wrote an obituary for him.
In 2001.
Umad government?
Post by
donnymurph
Great post, Sinespe, but as a member of the conspiracy-theory camp, I'm gonna disagree with a couple of things you said.
Some of the evidence I have seen isn't necessarily conjectural nor circumstantial. Certainly not more conjectural or circumstantial than what the U.S. Government has told us. Some of the conspiracy-theory evidence is based on logic; so that
could
be referred to as being conjectural - if you were the most cynical person on the planet. A lot of it has to do with the relationship between the burning temperature of plane fuel and the melting temperature of the materials made to build the planes/Pentagon/WTC. This stuff is definitely
not
conjectural, nor circumstantial. It is based on scientifically proven constants. Of course, when you're addressing hundreds of millions of #$%^-scared sheep who have never seen anything like this (outside of Hollywood flicks, which are notorious for breaking the laws of physics), you can pretty much use any explanation you like and they will accept it, as a function of their own fear of the unknown.
As for the two paragraphs underneath the HR tag, well, I agree with everything you've said. 100%. Except that I see what you've written as being the primary goal of the Bush family, and whoever else may have been involved. They didn't want to ignore it. The general populace would have been a bit freaked out; then probably returned to their normal, mundane lives after a few months. By instigating a "War on Terror" (the entire concept is laughable to me; you're declaring war on an
emotion
?), erecting extravagant memorial monuments, and by using the word "terror" or "terrorist" in every sentence, they are keeping the ordeal fresh in people's minds, maintaining their fear and, ultimately, making them more controllable. When scared, you're far more likely to do anything an authoritative figure tells you to. Why did the Bushes want this? I couldn't really tell you, beyond "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
None
of airport security makes one feel safe. However, it reminds one of the possible threat of a violent attack. My foster-mother, on a flight to London once, had her
nail-file
confiscated. Did it reduce the chance of terrorism on that plane? No. What it did do was instil into her mind the possibility that someone might actually use a nail file to kill someone on board, when she'd probably never imagined such a concept in her life. She frequently says "I wouldn't fly anymore, not with all that's going on in the world". Even though she went to London
after
9-11. And Holland. And New Zealand. And Bali. So why the sudden, inexplicable fear for flying now? Because those that are in power, those that control the media, have indoctrinated a level of fear into her. That's the only logical, objective answer I can come up with.
Have the terrorists won? Yes, they have. At least for now. However, since you and I agree that the correct response to 9-11 would have been to ignore it, you must safely assume that
someone
within the U.S. Cabinert's brains trust must have realised the same. As a conspiracy-theorist, I'm inclined to think they all did. The fact that they proceeded to ignore this piece of logical wisdom, and act anyway, indicates to me that there was a hidden agenda. And, by extension, that they
are
the terrorists.
(NB: I don't sit in the conspiracy-theory camp. I think the September 11th conspiracy theories retcon history to fit a pattern. A conspiracy theorist would say "September 11th happened; this gave Blair and Bush an excuse to dupe the world and invade the wrong country to get rid of a leader they didn't like . Therefore, Blair and Bush created the opportunity by creating September 11th -- and here is my X, Y and Z circumstantial and conjectural evidence.")
I maintain that the correct response to September 11th would have been to ignore it. Terrorists are very much like internet trolls: They can only succeed if democratic societies allow themselves to restrict their own freedoms for the sake of protecting themselves against a very tiny minority -- in short, they can only succeed if people are terrified. And people shouldn't be innately terrified of terrorists. Everyone should plan for death, since it's inevitable, but no one should be scared of it. What's the point of being scared of something that is going to happen eventually anyway? I'd rather have all my affairs accounted for and be blown up in 20 years' time than have a slow, tortuous decline through dementia or cancer at a later age; I fear greatly for the former since my dad is exhibiting signs of dementia as his mother did. Being blown up during mid-life would be a blessing.
Have the terrorists won? Go to an airport. See how much of the security makes you feel safe, and how much of it makes you feel unnecessarily guilty and unnecessarily surveyed. I'm way more terrified that one of the security staff will refuse me entry to a country and ruin a perfectly good holiday; I'm more terrified of my own government or the US government placing me erroneously on a terrorist watch list because, through sheer coincidence, I happen to exhibit certain traits or behaviours similar to a terrorist -- or, worse, from
an error
that
they
have made
. The banal counter-argument to that is "You should only feel guilty/worried about that if you have something to hide." Really? Should I? How about the two government laptops stolen on trains in the UK that contain the data of millions of people? -- I consider worrying about my own government's incompetence far more rational than worrying that, on one particular day in one particular year, I might be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
N.B. To other readers: I didn't quote all of Sinespe's post.
Also, this post will probably be edited a few times. Generally when I write a long post, I tend to get lost in all the words and may miss out an important detail, or word something badly, in a manner that makes it look like I don't really know what I'm talking about. The kind of stuff that HsR would pounce on, basically.
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