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MyTie
Would you say that abusing caffeine has the same results as abusing crack cocaine?
Yes: a heart attack.
Heh. I don't know whether to take you seriously and continue this argument under the assumption that you don't know what you are talking about, or think that your not really taking this argument seriously, and just leave.
I suppose I don't care enough about this topic to continue. Adeu
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91278
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Post by
Squishalot
So obtaining uranium should be free and legal, just like lead, right?
The volume sustainable before causing health problems is completely relevant in a discussion of whether it should be legal or not.
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204878
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Post by
MyTie
Dr.Lore: The premise of my argument is that some drugs should be illegal because they pose a great risk to affect society, because the user rarely keeps his drug habit completely isolated from society. Your argument is that all drugs should be legal because caffine has the same effects as cocaine, and the amount necessary to achieve those effects should be ignored (on a side note, no matter how much caffine you take, you won't achieve all of the same effects as cocaine). Squish was questioning that, because lead has the same effects as uranium, but because of the quantaties necessary to achieve society threat, uranium is illegal but lead is not. Then, it seems to me anyway, you are pointing out how ridiculous weighing the danger of two different items compared to each other is, and that they should be weighed as individuals. It's hard to know whether I am completely misunderstanding you, or you, again, don't know what you are talking about.Would you say that abusing caffeine has the same results as abusing crack cocaine?
Yes: a heart attack.
Heh. I don't know whether to take you seriously and continue this argument under the assumption that you don't know what you are talking about, or think that your not really taking this argument seriously, and just leave.
I suppose I don't care enough about this topic to continue. Adeu
Needing to take a greater amount of X in one sitting to have a long-term health problem from it compared to Y doesn't warrant Y being illegal.
(Unless Y is "Any". But it's not in this case.)
This is close to my point, only I include inverse. So: Just because needing to take a greater amount of X in one sitting to have a long-term health problems from it compared to Y doesn't warrant Y being illegal, nor does it warrant X being legal. The dangers of X to self and society should be weighed as an individual, and determined to be legal or illegal. This is why I feel that crack cocaine should be illegal, since it poses a great risk to society, and caffeine should not, since the risk placed on society is phenominally small. I don't feel drugs are all "all or nothing" matter when it comes to the law, and am only trying to question Dr.Lore on his apparent insistence that it is.
Post by
Asylu
I tend to abuse the ever-loving dog snot out of Ibuprofen, mostly due to severe back and knee injuries sustained in my odd, odd life. I like caffeine, but I go days and even weeks without it so it's not that big of a deal.
As for drug use, legal or not....I have no real stand point other than "It's your body, do what you want with it, just don't involve me". If people want to pollute their bodies, why should we stop them? You can't without impairing their right to free will. I think that it should come with a label that clearly states what will happen to you should you become addicted, but the choice, and ultimately the consequences, should be the individual's.
I guess that my belief stems from the guiding principle of Wicca, 'Do what you will, bring harm to none'. There are similar sentiments in the Buddhist philosophy. If it cause no one harm but themselves, why does it matter?
Now if it does affect others then you should get involved. Addiction in parents can and does lead to problems for the children and people should bring a stop to the negative environment. But that is getting into the moral and ethical responsibility of a community and is thus off topic.
TL;DR
I take Advil and drink Pepsi. You can't stop addicts, why bother?
Edited for grammar...
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91278
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Post by
gamerunknown
So obtaining uranium should be free and legal, just like lead, right?
I think so, yes. It would put rich American citizens on an equal footing with the government which is the most effective means of fulfilling the spirit of the second amendment.
If you can demonstrate a legitimate use for something with no inappropriate side effects
Entropy dictates that there will never be no inappropriate side effects. It just so happens that some things as habitually consumed such as tobacco cigarettes probably have greater inappropriate side effects than their equivalent in marijuana.
Post by
MyTie
So obtaining uranium should be free and legal, just like lead, right?
I think so, yes. It would put rich American citizens on an equal footing with the government which is the most effective means of
fulfilling the spirit of the second amendment
killing every life form on the planet.I fixed your post, making it accurate and realistic.
Post by
cephadex
It should be noted that low dose amphetamines are used as attention drugs. Pharmacologically, at very low concentrations (ex., 5 mg as used medically) they act via a different mechanism than at very high concentrations (ex., 1g, as used recreationally).
Post by
Squishalot
Only 5% have used Paracetamol and only 17.5% admit to using caffeine? EVER?
It's a byproduct of how the stats work themselves out. That's 17.5% of selections, not 17.5% of users. So by way of example, it could mean that every caffeine user, on average, also uses 5-6 other drugs too.
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