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Can Azshara be stronger than Deathwing?
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Monday
Aye. N'Zoth is an Old God as a fact, but there isn't any solid tie between him and the Drowned God. Only thing I could think of are all the references to the Drowned God sleeping and dreaming.
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Gone
Aye. N'Zoth is an Old God as a fact, but there isn't any solid tie between him and the Drowned God. Only thing I could think of are all the references to the Drowned God sleeping and dreaming.
I would be very suprised if he wasnt
Post by
Adamsm
Aye. N'Zoth is an Old God as a fact, but there isn't any solid tie between him and the Drowned God. Only thing I could think of are all the references to the Drowned God sleeping and dreaming.
Heh, I don't know, I'm starting to think we are not going to end up seeing N'Zoth this expansion, that they may leave it for the next one with Azshara. And if the Drowned God is an avatar, maybe we'll end up seeing the Murloc Deep God as well, which is something I've been looking forward to since reading about it back in vanilla.
But yeah, no doubts about N'Zoth being an Old God.
Post by
Monday
Aye. N'Zoth is an Old God as a fact, but there isn't any solid tie between him and the Drowned God. Only thing I could think of are all the references to the Drowned God sleeping and dreaming.
Heh, I don't know, I'm starting to think we are not going to end up seeing N'Zoth this expansion, that they may leave it for the next one with Azshara.
That's what I was thinking as well. Granted, they may put him in as raid content in Vash'jir (under the Scalding Chasm or L'ghorek) this expansion, but they probably have enough that they won't need it.
And if the Drowned God is an avatar, maybe we'll end up seeing the Murloc Deep God as well, which is something I've been looking forward to since reading about it back in vanilla.
Eh... I'm not too big on murlocs. They were better in RoC and TFT than in WoW, imo. Either way, that would be kind of neat to see, especially if they add a non-hostile murloc city.
Post by
Adamsm
Aye. N'Zoth is an Old God as a fact, but there isn't any solid tie between him and the Drowned God. Only thing I could think of are all the references to the Drowned God sleeping and dreaming.
Heh, I don't know, I'm starting to think we are not going to end up seeing N'Zoth this expansion, that they may leave it for the next one with Azshara.
That's what I was thinking as well. Granted, they may put him in as raid content in Vash'jir (under the Scalding Chasm or L'ghorek) this expansion, but they probably have enough that they won't need it. Aye, and I admit, I want Deathwing to be the finale here heh, because as I've been vocal about across many many threads, I want us to see him turn and flip the Old God the bird, which is what sends off to start cultivating Azshara and prepare the rising of Naz'jatar.
And if the Drowned God is an avatar, maybe we'll end up seeing the Murloc Deep God as well, which is something I've been looking forward to since reading about it back in vanilla.
Eh... I'm not too big on murlocs. They were better in RoC and TFT than in WoW, imo. Either way, that would be kind of neat to see, especially if they add a non-hostile murloc city.
Heh, I know, but still, a massive creature that the Murlocs worship as a God that has possibly driven them up onto the land for reasons unknown...plus, would like to learn about the origin of the Murlocs themselves.
Post by
Gone
Also if you read Stormrage, page 389
When malfurion was wrapping up the nightmare he fealt an "ancient evil keeping its foothold in the Emerald Dream from somewhere beneath Azeroth's oceans"
Christ Metzan also said that N'Zoth was the one behind the emerald dream, this seems very likley that N'Zoth is indeed the Drowned God
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Adamsm
Oh and as I always forget it...or maybe want to forget....
Azshara had two sets of guards during the War of the Ancients; Her Moonguard/Honour Guard forces...and a squadron of about 20 Felguards who were completely and utterly devoted to her and would have probably slain their fellow Legion members had they took one step towards the Light of Lights. You actually saw 2 of them draw their weapons on Archimonde or Mannoroth when the demon lieutenant speaks harshly at her but she merely smiles and waves them away.
And yes, as Funden said, at the end she threw her own considerable magic into the matrix to wrench the Portal open farther when Mal and Illy spell almost had it sealed. Had she not been interrupted when Sargeras was wounded and his pain roar affected all of the Highborne in the area, he would have been able to get through.
So after that, was when she held the ocean itself back from crushing her lands and people till the Old God saved her and her people.
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Gone
Oh and as I always forget it...or maybe want to forget....
Azshara had two sets of guards during the War of the Ancients; Her Moonguard/Honour Guard forces...and a squadron of about 20 Felguards who were completely and utterly devoted to her and would have probably slain their fellow Legion members had they took one step towards the Light of Lights. You actually saw 2 of them draw their weapons on Archimonde or Mannoroth when the demon lieutenant speaks harshly at her but she merely smiles and waves them away.
And yes, as Funden said, at the end she threw her own considerable magic into the matrix to wrench the Portal open farther when Mal and Illy spell almost had it sealed. Had she not been interrupted when Sargeras was wounded and his pain roar affected all of the Highborne in the area, he would have been able to get through.
So after that, was when she held the ocean itself back from crushing her lands and people till the Old God saved her and her people.
Let me ask you this, would you say that in terms of magic, malygos was stronger than Azshara?
EDIT: meh nevermind im too tired to carry on this debate, lets just agree to disagree
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Post by
Adamsm
P.S. she was the greates mage ever existed. but Medivh can seriously threaten this record......Medivh is gone, Med'an is still learning, there is no current Aspect of Magic; Azshara is the current most powerful magi on the planet.
Post by
Gone
OK its a new day im now refreshed.
Basicly the argument i was going to make yesterday was
if
Malygos > Azshara, which i think you could agree with now since you said twice "since malygos is dead azshara is blah blah blah", and Alexstraza > Malygos, which i think people can agree with since lore wise im pretty sure she was the one who killed him, i mean technicly we did but the we really shouldnt have been able to kill a dragon aspect and her words have hinted that it was really her "you forced me to do this brother" and to deathwing "i will end you as i ended maylgos" mark my words the lore is gonna say alexstraza killed him with the help of some "adventurers".
Aaaand as we saw in Twilight Highlands Deathwing > Alexstraza, so by this formula it stands to reason that Deathwing >>> Azshara.
Thats the best offical evidence i can think of either way, if you have anything better by all means post it, listing all the acomplishments Deathwing and Azhsara have ever done and saying "this ones better" "no this ones better" dosnt really work, so this is the best i got.
Post by
Adamsm
mark my words the lore is gonna say alexstraza killed him with the help of some "adventurers".It already says that.
As for the rest; no, because the topic has been going in circles for the last few days.
Edit: In other words, I still think your wrong, you think I'm wrong, it's going to keep going nowhere.
Post by
Monday
Your statement doesn't work.
Your theory is that Deathwing > Alexstrasza > Malygos > Azshara. Thing is, you're switching the trait you want to be tested.
Malygos is stronger than Azshara magic wise because he is the aspect and spent all his time at the
biggest ley line nexus in Azeroth
. Alexstrasza had reinforcements with her to take him down. However, you use that same argument with Azshara too say that she's bad. Alexstrasza had reinforcements to kill Malygos, so it stands to reason that she isn't as powerful.
Deathwing is more powerful in raw strength, courtesy to his body made of
freaking adamantium plates
and being 300 feet long.
Thus, Deathwing is stronger physically than any of them, but since Malygos is now dead Azshara is the most powerful magician. However, this does not mean that Deathwing is stronger than Azshara because he can't use magic on the same level.
Thus, your whole premise is flawed.
Post by
Adamsm
Well the whole premise is still just his opinions.
Post by
Patty
Any
premise at this point in time is opinion based, to be fair.
That said, I agree with what Funden said.
Post by
Adamsm
Any
premise at this point in time is opinion based, to be fair.Well of course.
Post by
Gone
However, you use that same argument with Azshara too say that she's bad
When?
Deathwing is more powerful in raw strength, courtesy to his body made of freaking adamantium plates and being 300 feet long.
if he was able to defeat alexstraza just in terms of raw strenth then a bunch of gnomes or goblins could probobly make some giant robot dragon and kill every aspect there is. i dont think things like that really come in to play as much on such a high level
However, this does not mean that Deathwing is stronger than Azshara because he can't use magic on the same level.
magic isnt the only way to fight, just because somone is the most powerfull magic user on the planet dosnt make them the most powerfull being, like i said malygos was the most powerfull and he wasnt as strong as alexstraza, yes she had reinforcements but still, that whole conflict was basicly a war between the red and blue (lol) drakes, they were attacking the reds as well it wasnt just alexstraza and her whole flight running in to teabag mally
Like everyone els said in the end it really is just a matter of opinion, but i dont think that Azshara could ever be as powerfull as Deathwing unless she indeed did get some kind of power upgrade from the Old God. A mortal, no matter how powerfull they are, becoming as powerfull as an aspect to me seems ridiculas, and Deathwing being the current most powerfull aspect, i just dont hink Azshara could measure up to him
Post by
Adamsm
Deathwing being the current most powerfull aspectActually the most powerful would be Nozdormu; after all, the Master of Time can do a metric $%^& ton of things to you that not even an Old God empowered ex-Aspect could. Even weakened by having a portion of himself within the Demon Soul, the Timeless twisted Krasus personal timeline to make him forget that he had visited the Aspect during Day of the Dragon. And later/earlier, he held the entire time/space continuum together for a second/eternity when the Old Gods were screwing with the timeline to break free at the time of War of the Ancients.....but he's currently missing/off doing something/fighting his own self in a twisted timeline.
Power is relevant after all.
Post by
Monday
A mortal, no matter how powerfull they are
Here's where it falls apart.
Azshara is not mortal. She is a highborne, and now a naga. They are immortal, as far as we can tell. Azshara has had the same amount of time to build up her magical strength as the aspects, and a far longer amount of time than any other individual.
if he was able to defeat alexstraza just in terms of raw strenth then a bunch of gnomes or goblins could probobly make some giant robot dragon and kill every aspect there is. i dont think things like that really come in to play as much on such a high level
Metal on its own isn't all that powerful. It can wear and break, even from cold or warm temperatures. Deathwing has earth empowering him, but it is still strength that he uses in the end.
i dont think things like that really come in to play as much on such a high level
Why not?
magic isnt the only way to fight
Oh wait. You just contradicted yourself.
Post by
Gone
Here's where it falls apart.
Azshara is not mortal. She is a highborne, and now a naga. They are immortal, as far as we can tell. Azshara has had the same amount of time to build up her magical strength as the aspects, and a far longer amount of time than any other individual
I dont mean mortal in the sence that she dosnt die i mean mortal in the sence like, the dragon aspects are basicly gods with the power the titans gave them, and Azhsara was born on a lower teir.
Oh wait. You just contradicted yourself.
no i didnt and please dont twist my words around unless your going to show where i did
Deathwing being the current most powerfull aspectActually the most powerful would be Nozdormu; after all, the Master of Time can do a metric $%^& ton of things to you that not even an Old God empowered ex-Aspect could. Even weakened by having a portion of himself within the Demon Soul, the Timeless twisted Krasus personal timeline to make him forget that he had visited the Aspect during Day of the Dragon. And later/earlier, he held the entire time/space continuum together for a second/eternity when the Old Gods were screwing with the timeline to break free at the time of War of the Ancients.
Power is relevant after all.
ok the most powerfull dragon aspect that isnt MIA, happy?
yes time travel trumps everything but so does a willingness to act.
you always do that, you take one tiny thing i say that has
nothing
to do with the over all point and pick at it
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