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Can Azshara be stronger than Deathwing?
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Post by
Adamsm
no, he would char broil her easilyAnd just as you keep saying: You have no proof of that either.
Post by
Gone
no, he would char broil her easilyAnd just as you keep saying: You have no proof of that either.
Well unless they actualy fight there is no solid "proof" for something like that. I could just as easily say that you had no "proof" saying The Lich King would be killed by Azshara. Its just common sence Deathwing is more powerfull, i dont even think that should be a debate, maby before she had a chance, but the way he is now there just isnt a chance
Post by
Adamsm
And it's just as much common sense to consider them equal.
So stalemate.
Post by
Gone
And it's just as much common sense to consider them equal.
So stalemate.
Idk dude i just dont see it. I mean her most impressive display of magic was probobly when she shielded the entire city under water for such a long time, and that is very impressive, but the difference in power between her and Deathwing the way he is now just seems staggering. I could be wrong though ill admit that, i would say wait untill shes in game to see if she did indeed get a boost from the Old God and if so how much, untill them im going to cast my vote for Deathwing
Post by
Adamsm
Again: Stalemate.
You are free to think whatever you want to, same as everyone else here; but please don't act like what you think is an actual fact alright?
And as anyone who has been on this forum for a long time knows, I am a Deathwing Fanboi, but I don't think he's the most powerful thing out there when there are other threats.
Post by
Ritmas
as said only KJ, Archi and Sargeras could be superior to here
lol nooooo nonono, im sorry no. What was said was that
in the burning legion
the only ones superior to her were Kil'jaeden, Archimode and Sargeras. And honestly besides those three there isnt much of a huge powerhouse in the Legion, at least compared to the teir of pwer we have been talking about in this thread. Also please nobody *glares at adam* give me a list of every legion lieutenant and an explination of how powerfull they are in responce to that.
How much do we know about Legion? That they send few commanders from their endless army?
Except that they are? Kil'jaeden and Sargeras are the only two in the Legion more powerfull than the aspects, and Deawthing is probobly at least equal to KJ the way he is now.
Is Azshara more powerfull than LK? yes.
Is she more powerfull than Ragnaros? debatable
, i would say no. Is she more powerfull than Deathwing?
absolutley not, she was
maby
equal to him before he came back from deepholme, but they way he is now? no, he would char broil her easily
Where you get this theory?
He was weakened, so he will be again.
How you messure her power? By seeing her once in a game? She may not do any earthquakes. But in 1v1 combat, what DW could possibly to do here? Cause another earthquake or swallow her? I doubt he likes fish. Yes, Neltharion is powerful, but in destruction and causing fear, but not in real combat. He was in fear of Medivh so what about Azshara? Don't tell me he got stronger(he got stronger, but not that much) after recovering in deepholm like some super sayin after a battle.
Post by
Gone
He was in fear of Medivh so what about Azshara?
He wasnt in fear of Medivh, he just said that if he had a choice he wouldnt fight him. And the reason for that is because Medivh had the spirit of Sargeras inside him. And I dont remember how much of his power Medivh had, but compared to Sargeras Deathwing and Azshara are both equal in the sence that they are basicly gnats. I mean cmon the guy gos around implaing planets on his sword
Don't tell me he got stronger(he got stronger, but not that much) after recovering in deepholm like some super sayin after a battle.
Well he spent a lot of time in Deepholme, hes the Earther Warder, Deepholme is the Earth plane.
Also there is a very strong possibility that he was granted more power by N'Zoth
He is much more powerfull now than he was before, he basicly tore the planet apart just emerging from Deepholme. He also laid the smack down on Alexstraza in Twilight Highlands, and she was suprised at how much stronger he was as well.
Post by
Patty
He is much more powerfull now than he was before, he basicly tore the planet apart just emerging from Deepholme. He also laid the smack down on Alexstraza in Twilight Highlands, and she was suprised at how much stronger he was as well.
That was from breaking the World Pillar. Not some magnificent feat of strength of being the former-Earthwarder.
Post by
Adamsm
He was in fear of Medivh so what about Azshara?
He wasnt in fear of Medivh, he just said that if he had a choice he wouldnt fight him. And the reason for that is because Medivh had the spirit of Sargeras inside him. And I dont remember how much of his power Medivh had, but compared to Sargeras Deathwing and Azshara are both equal in the sence that they are basicly gnats. I mean cmon the guy gos around implaing planets on his swordHe was afraid of Khadgar though after 'young' Trust blasted several plates off his body during the Draenor expedition, and Gruul nearly ripped his jaw off as well. And that was pre-Demon Soul shattering, where he was the most powerful of the Aspects since the other four were weakened.
So yes, with memories like that, as well as the Six from Kirin Tor blasting him and 'nearly' killing him during the Second War, he has a healthy respect of magi.
Also there is a very strong possibility that he was granted more power by N'ZothSame Old God, if that's the one in the Northwest who was responsible for the Nightmare in addition to Deathwing, that may have extended the tentacle to Azshara. Of course, it's still not proven at all that Deathwing is working with the Old God, as the few comments have not been backed up and other scenes were removed and not part of Lore anymore.
Yes, he fought against Alexstraza and nearly won; but he was still driven off as well: She hurt him too so he can't be that far ahead of the other Aspects.
Post by
Gone
He is much more powerfull now than he was before, he basicly tore the planet apart just emerging from Deepholme. He also laid the smack down on Alexstraza in Twilight Highlands, and she was suprised at how much stronger he was as well.
That was from breaking the World Pillar. Not some magnificent feat of strength of being the former-Earthwarder.
Yes, and i imagine that breaking the world pillar would require a great deal of strenth >.>
Anyway i dont feel like arguing with 3 different people who keep nit picking every little thing i say
TO SUM IT UP, i would say
Azshara > LK, Azshara < Deathwing, Azshara < or = Ragnaros
These are my opinions, not saying their facts, just what i think
Post by
Monday
I personally think that Azshara could easily be stronger than Deathwing. Even though Deathwing is an Aspect, we've already killed one (however much that irks me, it still happened).
Azshara, however, maintained a portal to let in
freaking Sargeras
.
Post by
Adamsm
Anyway i dont feel like arguing with 3 different people who keep nit picking every little thing i sayBecause other then personal opinion, you haven't really backed up anything you've said.
Post by
Ritmas
Anyway i dont feel like arguing with 3 different people who keep nit picking every little thing i sayBecause other then personal opinion, you haven't really backed up anything you've said.
pretty much this.
I really get annoyed by people like you, no offense realy.(@Ryjac)
Post by
Gone
Also there is a very strong possibility that he was granted more power by N'ZothSame Old God, if that's the one in the Northwest who was responsible for the Nightmare in addition to Deathwing, that may have extended the tentacle to Azshara. Of course, it's still not proven at all that Deathwing is working with the Old God, as the few comments have not been backed up and other scenes were removed and not part of lore anymore.
I was actualy wondering about that too, its hinted a lot that N'Zoth is going to be under the ocean, i was thinking he could have been the Old God that made the deal with the Azshara
Yes, he fought against Alexstraza and nearly won; but he was still driven off as well: She hurt him too so he can't be that far ahead of the other Aspects.
I think you mean he fought Alexstraza and
did
, she basicly fought him and thought he was dead while she collapsed on the floor, just to have him rise above the cliff the next second not even phased, while she couldnt even fly.
Also we didnt so much "drive him away", as run while Calen distracted him by pelting him with fireballs and darting around
Post by
Patty
It's speculated that the Old Gods one-upped him again after his little tumble off the cliffside. After all, what we're discussing now
is
speculation.
Post by
Adamsm
I doubt N'Zoth is under the ocean; since It worked It's magic to drag Xavius tree out of the ocean and up to the edge of Azshara the land.
Post by
Gone
Anyway i dont feel like arguing with 3 different people who keep nit picking every little thing i sayBecause other then personal opinion, you haven't really backed up anything you've said.
hmmm, im not quite sure how to take that, it seems like the kind of thing just said to incite, in any case i could just as easily say the same thing about you. Define what you mean by "backed up", i listed the sources of all my information or specificly said it was a matter of opinion. I mean once again you baiscly just did the same thing saying "no they are equal" or "azshara would destroy the lich king" ect without really backing it up
Post by
Monday
I doubt N'Zoth is under the ocean; since It worked It's magic to drag Xavius tree out of the ocean and up to the edge of Azshara the land.
/shrug
If N'Zoth is really the Drowned God, he's probably at the bottom of the ocean (assuming that is where Ny'alotha is. It may be on land).
Post by
Adamsm
I doubt N'Zoth is under the ocean; since It worked It's magic to drag Xavius tree out of the ocean and up to the edge of Azshara the land.
/shrug
If N'Zoth is really the Drowned God, he's probably at the bottom of the ocean (assuming that is where Ny'alotha is. It may be on land).
Doesn't have to be though; Yogg stretched across all of Northrend after all. And the Drowned God could end up being another Faceless type one, or an avatar of the Old Gods.
Post by
Gone
I doubt N'Zoth is under the ocean; since It worked It's magic to drag Xavius tree out of the ocean and up to the edge of Azshara the land.
A lot of the quotes from Yoggs puzzle box refer to an Old God sleeping beneath the ocean
In the sunken city, he lays dreaming.
The drowned god's heart is black ice.
At the bottom of the ocean even light must die.
He was also likley inspired by Zoth-Ommog, Another Lovecraft reference, who was also improsined beneath the ocean
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