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Post by
Pwntiff
Release of patch != Completion of story.
ICC was "released" with 3.3.0 on 9 Dec 2009, but The Lich King wasn't available until 2 Feb 2010. And my analogy still stands.
Post by
Gone
Release of patch != Completion of story.
ICC was "released" with 3.3.0 on 9 Dec 2009, but The Lich King wasn't available until 2 Feb 2010. And my analogy still stands.
Ok the release of Deathwing himself then
look at it like this, idk if you are a big star wars fan, but back when they were comming out with the final part of the prequal trilogy, in the months before it hit screens they came out with a game, a novel, a TV series, a whole bunch of stuff really, all of them had new stories that related to revenge of the sith, and they were all cannon.
The classic WC games, and WOW, while they are both video games, they are not the same.
And frankly the villains in wow are getting a bit tired, i mean Azshara and Sargeras are the only big villians we havnt seen yet (and plz do not start listing every lore villain we havnt seen yet, i know there are others but they are the big ones), and I dont see us facing Sargeras in the next expansion.
WC4 and wow could easily compliment each other, they could release WC4 between caty and the next expansion to introduce some new lore, then the next expansion could expand on what is introduced.
Post by
Gone
sorry double post, i thought the first one didnt go through
Post by
Pwntiff
Star Wars has different levels of canon, so it's not the best example. To the best of my knowledge, the only prequel material that isn't a retelling of the events of the prequel trilogy is the Clone Wars cartoon, which takes place in between Eps. II and III and doesn't have any real bearing of the plot of the movies.
WarCraft IV on the other hand would both be just as much canon as WoW and have major bearing on the events of the next WoW expansion it were to happen that way.
Essentially, WoW killed any possibilty of WarCraft IV, assuming there was every any official consideration of the title's development.
Post by
Gone
Star Wars has different levels of canon, so it's not the best example. To the best of my knowledge, the only prequel material that isn't a retelling of the events of the prequel trilogy is the Clone Wars cartoon, which takes place in between Eps. II and III and doesn't have any real bearing of the plot of the movies.
WarCraft IV on the other hand would both be just as much canon as WoW and have major bearing on the events of the next WoW expansion it were to happen that way.
Essentially, WoW killed any possibilty of WarCraft IV, assuming there was every any official consideration of the title's development.
There were two novels that lead up to the events of the movie, as well as a third that told teh actualy events of the movie. There was also several comic one shots. Also Battlefront two had events leading up to teh betrayal of the jedi from the perspective of the storm troopers, although that last one lead into a retelling of the prequal material and beyond so thats not the best example.
And i disagree about that, Warcraft has spanned several games, comic books, novles, theres even a live action movie in the works
Let me ask this, have you read anything that says blizzard is not working on WC4 or are you just assuming? To me it seems unlikley they wouldnt make another one considering how many people want it and play Blizzard RTS games it would be like throwing money down the toilet.
While i see your point and relise that wow has changed the way new WC games would come out, i dont agree at all that it completley killed the possibility at new ones, merley changed it.
Post by
Pwntiff
Which makes Blizzard more money: recurring subscriptions or initial sales?
And there are officially different levels of Star Wars canon. In fact, there's a
Wikipedia article
about it. In the case of contradiction, the works by Lucas take precedence over the licensed works by other people. Relating that WarCraft, if Blizzard contradicts one of the licensed books, Blizzard's version would be right. If Blizzard contradicts itself and both versions of the events are current, how do you determine which is correct?
The options for WarCraft IV are: End WoW and pick up there, Take place in the distant future and let WoW run it's course, or Take place in an alternate reality.
The only one of those I would be interested in is the first one, but that's the one that loses Blizzard money. The second option would likely be hard keep from being too similar to Warhammer and Warhammer 40k, and the third is just ridiculous.
Also, assuming
this
isn't a (pure) hoax, there isn't a plan for WCIV.
Post by
Gone
Which makes Blizzard more money: recurring subscriptions or initial sales?
both at once
The options for WarCraft IV are: End WoW and pick up there, Take place in the distant future and let WoW run it's course, or Take place in an alternate reality.
Or as i said have it take place between expansions, or be a prequel, or any number of other solutions im sure could be thought of if you sit down and think about it
Also, assuming this isn't a (pure) hoax, there isn't a plan for WCIV.
Yes clearly that one scribbled sheet represents all of blizzards plans for the next several years.
Honestly i dont feel like debating this anymore, i feel like we are arguing in circles, bottom line, i think they will continue the Warcraft series, you think they will not and just stick with wow, as i said i dont really feel like debating it anymore since neither of us know for sure
Post by
Pwntiff
The reason I discounted a prequel game is because WarCraft I was the beginning of the WarCraft Universe, there is almost zero ground for a fully-fledged game with that material. The reason I discounted a game intermediary to WoW is because it doesn't make sense. How would you like it if you're reading a book and halfway through it says "This part of the story has been omitted from this work. Please read <title> if you want to know more." then proceeds where <title> left off?
I like how you danced around levels of canon argument.
It honestly does boil down to: Halt WoW for WarCraft IV, Take the Warhammer 40K road, or Say "WoW wasn't really what happened, this is."
Post by
Gone
The reason I discounted a prequel game is because WarCraft I was the beginning of the WarCraft Universe
No it was just the first invasion of the burning legion on Azeroth, the legion has been around a lot longer than that, and they have fought battles on other planets, there is also the ordering of azeroth titans vs old gods, beleive me there was plenty going on before the legion set foot on azeroth
I like how you danced around levels of canon argument.
I didnt dance around it, i just dont agree, not much els i can say
The reason I discounted a game intermediary to WoW is because it doesn't make sense. How would you like it if you're reading a book and halfway through it says "This part of the story has been omitted from this work. Please read <title> if you want to know more." then proceeds where <title> left off?
What you dont seem to understand is that there is like a four or five month time gap between the time that Deathwing is going to come out which is when the story for cataclysm "ends" and the time that the next expansion will launch, there is room there for a new game.
Comparing it to a novel isnt really fair because when you finish the story in a book, thats the end of the book, but since wow is a progression based game, in order to give people time to kill Deathwing and finish all the content its going to have a long time after the end of the story before the start of the next one.
Post by
Pwntiff
I'm sorry, but WarCraft is the Horde and the Alliance. The Horde and the Alliance were born in WarCraft: Orcs and Humans.
I posed a question about canon there. Ignoring it means you don't have an answer, and gives my side of the argument more weight.
in order to give people time to kill Deathwing and finiash all the content its going to have a long time after the end of teh story before the start of the next one.
There's the whole point of my novel analogy. A new game about intermediary events will take away from the time.
Post by
Gone
I posed a question about canon there. Ignoring it means you don't have an answer, and gives my side of the argument more weight.
so if i say "simon says theres gonna be WC4 and you dont adress it then that means it gives my argument credibility? im sorry no not how debates work
I'm sorry, but WarCraft is the Horde and the Alliance. The Horde and the Alliance were born in WarCraft: Orcs and Humans.
Wrong again, WC1&2 were basicly Azeroth vs the Burning Legion, the "Horde" as they were then were basicly just a sub group of the Legion, in fact in WC3 the Horde and Alliance actualy work together to defeat them.
There's the whole point of my novel analogy. A new game about intermediary events will take away from the time.
That literaly makes no sence at all, you claimed that an intermediary game would be like being half way through a novel, and then you get an excerpt telling you to go read something els, if it took place between caty and the next expansion, then the "novel" ends as soon as Deathwing is released, which means that the new game happening after that isnt in the middle of the novel as you said, its after the end.
Post by
Pwntiff
My original analogy was the ending of a serial novel being released at the same time as it's complete sequel. I figured that was a little too complex.
You're right, ignoring a ridiculous question doesn't give more weight to the other argument. However, my question was based on the comparison to Star Wars canon you, yourself, introduced.
I apparently should have prefaced it with "I'm sorry, to me WarCraft is the Horde and the Alliance." But still, the Alliance didn't exist until WarCraft: Orcs and Humans, the point I made still stands.
Post by
Gone
My original analogy was the ending of a serial novel being released at the same time as it's complete sequel. I figured that was a little too complex.
You're right, ignoring a ridiculous question doesn't give more weight to the other argument. However, my question was based on the comparison to Star Wars canon you, yourself, introduced.
I apparently should have prefaced it with "I'm sorry, to me WarCraft is the Horde and the Alliance." But still, the Alliance didn't exist until WarCraft: Orcs and Humans, the point I made still stands.
Honestly like i said i dont feel like debating this anymore, i can come up with a hundred reasons why an intermediate game would work, and im sure you can come up with a hundred reasons why it wouldnt, same gos for the comparison to star wars cannon and the prequel idea, at this point we are just arguing in circles
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138638
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Post by
Gone
Then why make the thread, none of us know for sure and any and all debates happening would be based a lot on past experience and on speculation etc.
Because made the thread out of curiosity if anybody had any news, i never mind debating people, bot now we have been arguing for over an hour, and we are arguing about the same thing. Bottom line i think WC4 would work, he thinks it wont, so now im burnt out on it.
There won't be a Warcraft 4
none of us know for sure
Post by
Pwntiff
You're just saying "I think it will." I'm giving you
reasons why
I think it won't.
Only one of us is actually debating.
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138638
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Post by
Pwntiff
I think they will make warcraft four, they are making starcraft and diablo after quite a few years of no movement, i think warcraft four will be next for sure.
Weather it happens in between expansions of after wow is done is anyones guess, i agree with the guy who said it seems like they are wrapping up wow to make room for world of warcraft two
also anyone els think titan could be warcraft four? sargeras is a titan after all
Just no. And I'm not getting drawn into this one. Someone else can have it.
Post by
Gone
You're just saying "I think it will." I'm giving you
reasons why
I think it won't.
Only one of us is actually debating.
ive actualy given quite a few reasons why i think it would work, ive said it could work in between expansions, i said they may wrap up wow soon and they would have it in between that and wow2, ive said it could be a prequel
Once again, not going to debate this anymore
Then why make the thread, none of us know for sure and any and all debates happening would be based a lot on past experience and on speculation etc.
Because made the thread out of curiosity if anybody had any news, i never mind debating people, bot now we have been arguing for over an hour, and we are arguing about the same thing. Bottom line i think WC4 would work, he thinks it wont, so now im burnt out on it.
There won't be a Warcraft 4
none of us know for sure
Yes, none of us know for sure, but I gave reasons as to why the chances of it are slim to none, they do have other projects but none of them are WC4, for
one look at this
I don't see the name WC4 in there anywhere do you?
Just because something could work doesn't mean it'll be done WC4 would give them what $60 a sale and $40 for any xpac
whereas WoW gives them $40 for cata + everything under it and $15 a month so with just buying cata and a month sub they would have made the same amount of money as a WC4 game and every month afterward is a bigger profit than if they made a WC4 RTS, why would they ever want to invest resources to do something like that when WoW will clearly make more money
Same thing, i already said they would make more money from both than just doing one, they dont magicly stop getting money from wow just because they made another game, and that scribbled peice of paper dosnt prove anything
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