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Post by
karlusdavius
Don't use IW, always stick with IF. the spellpower boost beats out the mana reduction. if you don't have the regen, don't spam.
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Post by
Karrie
Don't use IW, always stick with IF. the spellpower boost beats out the mana reduction. if you don't have the regen, don't spam.
Spending 20% more mana on a 5% increase (at most) in absorbs? Totally worth it.
Post by
karlusdavius
Don't use IW, always stick with IF. the spellpower boost beats out the mana reduction. if you don't have the regen, don't spam.
Spending 20% more mana on a 5% increase (at most) in absorbs? Totally worth it.
Shame you can't read tooltips. Your %'s are a "little" off
Post by
DraconisAerius
Don't use IW, always stick with IF. the spellpower boost beats out the mana reduction. if you don't have the regen, don't spam.
Spending 20% more mana on a 5% increase (at most) in absorbs? Totally worth it.
Shame you can't read tooltips. Your %'s are a "little" off
Yeah it's more like 15% mana saving and a 10% boost to spell power. Depends on your gear though just what exact percent the IF is.
Post by
Karrie
Shame you can't read tooltips. Your %'s are a "little" off
PW:S 'base' cost (with MA):
4632
6300
PW:S with IW up:
3860
5250
6300/5250 = 1.2
Switching from IW to IF increases the cost of PW:S by 20%.
Absorb with 8.1k spellpower, 25% mastery and IW/nothing: 24175
...with IF and 8.6k spellpower: 24911
24911/24175 = 1.03
Switching from IW to IF increases the absorb of PW:S by 3%.
Granted, the increase in absorbs scales with mastery, but not by a lot.
So no, my numbers are right. For shieldspam IW>IF.
Post by
karlusdavius
Inner will - 15% reduction. Shame you cant read tooltips.
Post by
Karrie
Inner will - 15% reduction. Shame you cant read tooltips.
Sucks not being able to use a calculator, does it not?
Post by
karlusdavius
You don't get it. IF is still by far better than IW. Regardless of a 5% increase, thats per shield. So
Spending 20% more mana on a 5% increase (at most) in absorbs? Totally worth it.
If you do not have the regen, then do not spam
.
You should be doing more in a raid than spamming one spell as a discipline priest anyway. You spam a shield in a raid then you will be useless for 60% of the fight due to no mana, even after popping everything you have to get it back. Even more so when these changes go live. PW:S spamming is over. IF > IW unless you have wiped or your running up to cap a tower in AV.
Discipline is being forced into a primary tank healer, secondary raid healer (PoH etc).
So, now we have figured that one out, back on topic of PTR?
Post by
DraconisAerius
Do channeled spells count as instant cast?
Post by
karlusdavius
Penance does. I assume the other do also
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Post by
DraconisAerius
Something that confuses me, what is this "new spell effect" of HW:S? Does that mean the look of it?
Yes.
Post by
Karrie
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There are times when a Discipline priest just has to apam shields. Maloriak red phase, Chimaerom HC 2nd phase, Nef crackles, Halfus HC roars, etc. Having shields up on a couple of people before incoming damage takes a lot of stress off the other healers, as they don't have to worry about topping everybody off in a matter of seconds.
Switching between IW and IF only costs one GCD and can save you a lot of mana without sacrificing throughput. That spell is there for a reason; use it.
Post by
karlusdavius
Datamined PTR notes
Holy
Surge of Light now also affects Binding Heal.
Discipline
Evangelism now also procs from Mind Flay.
Shadow
Mind Sear base damage has been doubled.
@ Karrie
I agree that it has it's uses, However if your regen is good enough you shouldn't be having problems at all and, therefore, should be going for straight spellpower increase. I agree there are phases of use, but prolonged spamming as the other guy implied is not a good idea.
5250/6300 = 83.333333333333 (which means that PW:S with IW is ~16% and not 20%)
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Post by
cloudp
About the 15% VS 20%, guys, you're both right.
Consider a spell costs 100 mana. A priest chooses Inner Will, reducing it's cost to 85 mana - a 15% decrease. But if you just go with a 15% increase in that 85 mana, you won't get 100; 85*1.15=97,75! So, it takes around 18% to get the mana back on 100. It's all about perspective. If you consider the base cost of the spell, it's a flat 15% decrease to go for Inner Will. If you take the value with Inner Will as a basis, it takes a bigger percentage to get to the original value.
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Post by
karlusdavius
then use IW. If you want to spam the one spell then go for it.
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