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Prot: How much health is enough health? (Raid)
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Post by
Escad
Hi there,
I'm Moondoggie, a raid tank for my guild, comfortable progression (7/12).
As the title asks, how much health is "enough" health for raiding the current content?
I currently sit on 164k unbuffed and hitting around 188k raid buffed. I don't have problems tanking at this health (and more importantly, healers are comfortable healing me) but am I over compensating stamina gems when I could be stacking mastery? Or possibly replacing a stamina trinket for something more beneficial? I gem according to whether or not a socket bonus is beneficial and reforge to mastery where appropriate.
I'll drop off my armory link here for some constructive criticism:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/bladefist/moondoggie/simple
General notes on me:
- Healers are happy how I am currently
- I don't have threat problems so I feel hit / expertise aren't necessary for current content
Many thanks fellow Warriors
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Post by
Escad
@Callmesleepy As mentioned I have zero threat problems therefore expertise isn't currently necessary. My belt has been reforged and the mastery on it is nice. Other than my chest i've gemmed for colour. Contrary to what stat sheets say mastery makes healing easier even with low dodge and parry. You take more overall damage but less spikes. This is why I made my question clear, I didn't ask about avoidance stats, I asked about health pool limit.
@lokbrth, your comment was kind of unnecessary. Obviously I know this and thats the whole reason i've made this post lol surely you could have said something helpful?
Post by
Porcell
As the title asks, how much health is "enough" health for raiding the current content?
I currently sit on 164k unbuffed and hitting around 188k raid buffed.
I have 144.3k unbuffed and 169k raid buffed. I'm 2/13 Heroic 25m.
I don't have problems tanking at this health (and more importantly, healers are comfortable healing me) but am I over compensating stamina gems when I could be stacking mastery? Or possibly replacing a stamina trinket for something more beneficial? I gem according to whether or not a socket bonus is beneficial and reforge to mastery where appropriate.
Yes, I would not use any straight stamina gems.
Maybe if I copy and past this in enough places people will actually read it:
Gems:
Prismatic and Yellow Sockets: +40 Mastery
Red Sockets: +20 Parry / +20 Mastery
Blue Sockets: +20 Mastery / +20 Stamina
Meta: Stamina+2% armor -or- Stamina+1% block value. 2% armor is better earlier, 2% block value is better once you have a lot of mastery
Reforging, there are 4 types of items,
Avoidance / Mastery - Leave it
Threat / Mastery - Reforge Threat to Dodge
Avoidance / Avoidance - Reforge higher rating to Mastery, if equal reforge Parry to Mastery
Threat / Avoidance - Reforge threat to Mastery
I'll drop off my armory link here for some constructive criticism:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/bladefist/moondoggie/simple
General notes on me:
- Healers are happy how I am currently
- I don't have threat problems so I feel hit / expertise aren't necessary for current content
Many thanks fellow Warriors
Armory's broken at the moment for me so I can't see your character.
Post by
Escad
@Porcell Thanks for your response. Very informative and what I was looking for. Cheers mate.
Post by
septimx
Stamina is not the end all that it used to be. In fact prioritizing it is harder on your healers.
This is correct, as there is no point in too much Stamina, without Mitigation.
If you check your logs during a fight, you'll see that you don't have much "mitigated" "resisted" "blocked"
You take all damage dealt to you head on, making your healers "big Heals" you, wasting mana...
you have more than enough health.. you used every gem towards stam, which I was told is looked down upon. your total dodge/parry percentage therefore seems low. So you'll probably do great against magic intense bosses but will suffer against melee heavy bosses due to such a low dodge and parry rating.
Warrior Tank Gems:
Mastery Stam (green) and Parry Stam (purple)
mastery for more blocking
and parry for added mitigation
yeah copy quote: Warrior Tanks pile up Mastery more than Stam now...
Gems:
Prismatic and Yellow Sockets: +40 Mastery
Red Sockets: +20 Parry / +20 Mastery
Blue Sockets: +20 Mastery / +20 Stamina
Meta: Stamina+2% armor -or- Stamina+1% block value. 2% armor is better earlier, 2% block value is better once you have a lot of mastery
Reforging, there are 4 types of items,
Avoidance / Mastery - Leave it
Threat / Mastery - Reforge Threat to Dodge
Avoidance / Avoidance - Reforge higher rating to Mastery, if equal reforge Parry to Mastery
Threat / Avoidance - Reforge threat to Mastery
Post by
INvShika
Don't forget to be expertise dodge capped (26). I personally like to be close to hit cap (through reforging, not gems/enchants)
Post by
septimx
expertise is good, while most warrior tanks now are sitting with less than 5% hit...
Post by
Porcell
Don't forget to be expertise dodge capped (26). I personally like to be close to hit cap (through reforging, not gems/enchants)
No.
Tanks completely dump all hit and expertise ratings from their best tanking pieces. Threat is a non-issue once vengeance stacks, and until it stacks you get MDs and Tricks, and/or you make DPS wait for a two seconds.
There's a time and a place for Hit and Expertise, to be sure. I use a 6%hit / 22 Expertise set for trash and farm bosses where I don't need to be in the best of the best gear to down.
But if you are just starting to work on bosses or still struggling, you should not be going for threat stats at all.
Post by
Zakkhar
Warrior Tank Gems:
Mastery Stam (green) and Parry Stam (purple)
mastery for more blocking
and parry for added mitigation
Please mind what words you use. Parry is no mitigation. Parry is avoidance.
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