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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
(people younger than 10? really?)
I'm surprised you of all people don't understand the limits of an analogy.
My point is that by choosing to include Aestu (as a single forum member who writes threads noting his displeasure with the system) and ignoring other members who do the same, you're picking and choosing.
I'm not choosing to include him. He's just happens to be the specific person I'm arguing against, and thus the other half of my ratio.
Post by
Squishalot
I'm surprised you of all people don't understand the limits of an analogy.
I know, I was just testing to see if it was more than just an analogy.
I'm not choosing to include him. He's just happens to be the specific person I'm arguing against, and thus the other half of my ratio.
Ah, ok. In that case, I'd argue against the validity of your dataset as being representative of the WoW player base. Any single group of people, be it your group of friends, the Wowhead forums, the official forums, or a single server's Trade channel, will be unlikely to be suitably representative.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
And yet you're the one to suggest using QQ threads as evidence. Mine is more random, and I would say sufficiently so. This isn't one guild, one group, or even one server. Playing for what -- 4 year now, I think -- I've met people from all over. I'm still in touch with people from my noob days, both people who have become serious like me and people who are still noobs. I know raiders, and guild leaders, and soloists.
I know, I was just testing to see if it was more than just an analogy.
I needed an extreme. And considering I was talking about a graveyard, younger people dying seemed to be the appropriate extreme.
Post by
Squishalot
And yet you're the one to suggest using QQ threads as evidence. Mine is more random, and I would say sufficiently so. This isn't one guild, one group, or even one server. Playing for what -- 4 year now, I think -- I've met people from all over. I'm still in touch with people from my noob days, both people who have become serious like me and people who are still noobs. I know raiders, and guild leaders, and soloists.
Are you implying that I don't?
Essentially, you're arguing that those who are worried are a non-significant part of the player base. My reference to QQ threads is to demonstrate that there is a significant
number
of people, even if they're not representative concerns. You're the one who started talking about percentages of players; I was merely responding to that. But my position still stands - Aestu is not alone in his remarks, as evidenced by others who say similar things. Hence he is entitled to use 'we'.
I needed an extreme. And considering I was talking about a graveyard, younger people dying seemed to be the appropriate extreme.
And there I was thinking that you were making a subtle statement about the QQers. I'm strangely disappointed in you. :P
Post by
Gnub
I'm suddenly getting an urge to play classics such as
One Must Fall 2097
, punishing every single opponent with my Scrap and Destruction moves, and trying my best to punish Fire and Iceman.
When I read "Sim City 2000", the first thing that struck me was "Why something that new? The orginal Sim City was the true classic!" - and I'm only 25. I hardly see any connection between being hardcore and how many games you've played, nor for how long (that's only experience). Hardcore - in my eyes - is how much effort (which, in turn, often requires a larger amount of time/day) you put into a given game.
I found my dedication to OMF2097 semi-hardcore back then - except it was mostly single-player.
Regardless, the topic could quite obviously be on a better track, and seems to be lacking a bit of focus, so let's try to get back to that, shall we?
Post by
Sas148
I found your post interesting and thought-provoking :)
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Post by
rabican1
Classics?
If you want to talk about classics, lets talk about playing the Legend of Zelda.
I first saw that in 11th grade 1986 and was amazed. I dont considering playing any of the Donkey Kong games (this is what the Mario brothers are to me) as neccestity, I hated those games.
Also I never had much love for SimCity 2000, for me that game peaked in the late 80s.
You should have asked that kid if he ever played Baldur's Gate I and II. Now those were great games! Never Winter Knights, not so much nor IceWind Dale. NWK blew it cause how it handeled henchmen and Icewind Dale was just hack and slash.
Post by
xaratherus
It seems to me that the TL;DR version is this:
Things change.
If we strip away all reference to games, it's really just commentary on the generation gap, which is nothing new or exciting.
There's also some detail on specific changes, such as an apparent shift in game design from an 'exploration' model to a 'goal-oriented' model, which ignores a number of the more exploration-based games (The Sims, the Fallout series, GTA - all of which are open-world design models, even if they do have goals as well).
As a related aside: I'd be interested to know how many people in the thread have played and beaten SMB3? I have; it was challenging, but not impossible by any means.
Post by
Hyperspacerebel
My reference to QQ threads is to demonstrate that there is a significant number of people, even if they're not representative concerns. You're the one who started talking about percentages of players
Significance must needs (<3) include reference to percentage. 7 out of 10 is significant. 7 out of 10 billion isn't.
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Post by
Bawkxy
I found your post interesting and thought-provoking :)
Lol, thats a nice way to say "I didn't understand !@#$ but i thought it looked nice."
Post by
rabican1
Video game babies, in my day we played boardgames with 2000 page manuals (SFB anyone?) and 50 lbs of lead miniatures.
SFB?
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1589/star-fleet-battles
I never played that one, but the write up makes it sound like Axis and Allies. Man! Axis and Allies was SUCH A fun game!
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Is this the part where I get called a noob because I thought Starfleet Command II was awesome (although, like World of Warcraft, its potential greatness did not reach its full horizons) but never played Starfleet Battles?
No, it's the point where you call yourself a noob in order to not be a hypocrite about your point.
Most the rest of us know that what games you grew up playing is not a determining factor in noobness.
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Post by
Hyperspacerebel
Hmm...
Wait, I thought you didn't get my point!
I'm good at gleaning.
I also know you have elitist tendencies.
2 + 2 = 4
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