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Squishalot
My argument is that generalizing the community the way he did has no basis. Looking at everyone I know, he's the only one who seems worried about other people not reaching certain levels within the game. That's close to 1% of my sample. Not a percentage very adept to being generalized.
You only know ~100 people, of whom he's the only one saying that Blizzard is letting people into end-game content?
You're not reading many of the locked threads here on Wowhead.
The problem with counting people who don't complain is that you're counting apathetic people. The lack of complaint doesn't mean that they're not worried, it just means that they're not talking to you about it. I don't talk to you about in-game items being sold (e.g. sparkle pony); that doesn't mean that I'm not concerned about it.
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Hyperspacerebel
You're not reading many of the locked threads here on Wowhead.
People don't go cry on the forums if they're okay with something. Random people I know in my WoW circle
is actually more of a random selection that picking QQ threads off the forums
.
The problem with counting people who don't complain is that you're counting apathetic people. The lack of complaint doesn't mean that they're not worried, it just means that they're not talking to you about it. I don't talk to you about in-game items being sold (e.g. sparkle pony); that doesn't mean that I'm not concerned about it.
No, I'm counting my friends (i.e. people whose opinion and likes I know).
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Squishalot
No, I'm counting my friends (i.e. people whose opinion and likes I know).
Yet you counted Aestu when you measured your 1% number. And I don't know what my brothers' views on welfare epics are, for example. I know he hasn't complained about them - should I assume that he thinks they're good?
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Hyperspacerebel
No, I'm counting my friends (i.e. people whose opinion and likes I know).
Yet you counted Aestu when you measured your 1% number.
Yes, he presented himself and his opinion to me in the context of the debate. And it is his unique opinion that allows me to go to my experience and compare that with his opinion, and see how they match up. As it turns out, he the only one in that data set.
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Hyperspacerebel
HsR's Point:
Aestu has not presented a coherent argument as of yet. But from that I can glean so far, he appears to be wrong.
If you do not believe I've provided anything to talk about then there is no need to respond.
I'm gleaning, can't you see?
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Adamsm
HsR's Point:
Aestu has not presented a coherent argument as of yet. But from that I can glean so far, he appears to be wrong.
If you do not believe I've provided anything to talk about then there is no need to respond.
So we can lock the thread then if you aren't going to clarify your points, make it so that those of us who haven't eaten 15 word a day calenders, 29 dictionaries and topped it off with a thesaurus can understand the words that you are attempting to communicate with us?
Just because you use big words Aestu, doesn't mean you are a genius by any stretch of the imagination. Even for one of your topics, the OP is here incomprehensible.
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Squishalot
No, I'm counting my friends (i.e. people whose opinion and likes I know).
Yet you counted Aestu when you measured your 1% number.
Yes, he presented himself and his opinion to me in the context of the debate. And it is his unique opinion that allows me to go to my experience and compare that with his opinion, and see how they match up. As it turns out, he the only one in that data set.
Precisely. Your choice to ignore the opinions of all the QQers, in light of the fact that you're accepting the opinions of Aestu is beyond my comprehension. Especially if you think Aestu is yet another one.
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Hyperspacerebel
Precisely. Your choice to ignore the opinions of all the QQers, in light of the fact that you're accepting the opinions of Aestu is beyond my comprehension. Especially if you think Aestu is yet another one.
That doesn't make sense. First of all picking from another non-random data set defeats the purpose of choosing a random data set in the first place. It would be like trying to find the average length people live for and choosing a random cemetery to gather your data from, and then opening the newspaper and picking all the people younger than 10 in the obituary and throwing those in too.
And I'm not accepting Aestu's opinions. I'm comparing him to my data set.
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Monday
>.>
<.<
I'm never making a blog now.
Lol, I promise I'll only stalk you nicely. Besides, you're only #49 on my arch-enemy list.
Does your arch enemy list happen to contain ~6,000,000,000 people?
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Hyperspacerebel
Does your arch enemy list happen to contain ~6,000,000,000 people?
I've got fictional and historical characters in there too, so it's probably closer to 10 billion.
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Amry
I have no idea what OP is going on about, although I am delighted to be reminded of SC2K's manual. I remember a decade ago when I traveled early in the morning - under a light drizzle, no less - to go to a far-off florist to buy the manual. It's a thick tome that puts today's e-manuals to shame. Ah, the glory days.
The local Kinokuniya carries BradyGame's Cata guide, which I am very tempted to buy - it looks so nice and colorful. But then, since whatever useful information must be horridly out-of-date, I am forced to waste my salary on something else.
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Monday
Does your arch enemy list happen to contain ~6,000,000,000 people?
I've got fictional and historical characters in there too, so it's probably closer to 10 billion.
This list is getting dangerous. I don't think #49 is a good place to be.
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Hyperspacerebel
Don't worry I'm like Spiderman, I don't kill any of them. So by the time I get down a couple, #1 is free again and I have to start over.
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Squishalot
That doesn't make sense. First of all picking from another non-random data set defeats the purpose of choosing a random data set in the first place. It would be like trying to find the average length people live for and choosing a random cemetery to gather your data from, and then opening the newspaper and picking all the people younger than 10 in the obituary and throwing those in too.
And I'm not accepting Aestu's opinions. I'm comparing him to my data set.
I'll rephrase - you're including him in your dataset.
My point is that by choosing to include Aestu (as a single forum member who writes threads noting his displeasure with the system) and ignoring other members who do the same, you're picking and choosing. You're implicitly discounting the validity of others who complain (people younger than 10? really?) but accepting Aestu's complaints as a valid part of your dataset? Why?
Does your arch enemy list happen to contain ~6,000,000,000 people?
I've got fictional and historical characters in there too, so it's probably closer to 10 billion.
This list is getting dangerous. I don't think #49 is a good place to be.
Don't worry. You're probably behind me in there.
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Sweetscot
I get it. I think that achievements and 3.0 is when the shift really became noticeable, but I wouldn't say the change is either good or bad, it's just a change and whether it was driven by a change in the philosophy of the playerbase as far as Blizz could tell, Activision, or just kismet is behind it I don't know. I think it is funny that people are bashing the SMB simile since Aestu didn't pick that Ghostcrawler did! Also iirc the reference to goal oriented vs open-ended play comes from blue posts made around the time of wrath release when players were openly questioning this shift in the game..I remember it but i cba to go dig through blue posts.
Personally I'm somewhere in between in outlook. I played sc2k and the sims although I played them on console but I also played open-ended mmo where there really isn't much to get gear wise and there was nothing to do but PvP endlessly. For me I really don't care whether WoW continues on this goal-oriented path or not as long as it can remain interesting enough to compensate for the lack of open-ended exploration play...the problem is I rather doubt it can so instead I hope that IF blizz devs chose to try to revert some portions of the game to be less goal/item oriented that they are successful at the attempt :)
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