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Pugs, Jerks, and Fixes (a bit of a Rant and LONG)
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Post by
Pwntiff
Ah, you committed my biggest pet peeve and ignored my actual point, since what you quoted is obvious hyperbole.
You can't control what you get in a random dungeon, so either man up, grow a pair, and run with them or stop pugging through LFD.
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Adamsm
Play the percentages. As a tank I can.So, to sum it up over all: It's my play time, screw the others, if they don't do what I want them to do, I'll wipe them, laugh and leave group. Seriously, to save yourself the headache of getting branded with a D-Bag brush, just run the Heroics with your guild.
Edit: Or if you really feel the need to be like this, go to your realm forum and create a post saying you would like to create a heroic run at *insert time here* and looking for more. You would get responses, could check their armoury, and just set it up that when you have the 'time' to play, they would be on, and you can run with them, saving you the trouble of dealing with the horribads.
Oh, and one more sarcastic comment as the bile backs up on me if I don't release it: Your a tank, not God, stop acting like you pay for the accounts of those who run the pug with you, this is their free time too, and they want to play the game how they play even if they are being complete and utter #$%^&* bags.
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Adamsm
As said in my edit: Get some friends, either on the server or in real life, and the PuG problem is solved.
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Adamsm
I am trying to have fun with Voice - what COULD fix what I DO think is a problem - because sometime at 1 a.m. server time your kids are asleep but your guildees are no longer on.See, opposite with my guild; at that point, my guild mates are still on, and they want to run things.
As said, you seem intent on saying that the problem is on Blizzard's end, but all through the thread, whenever someone considers the problem might actually be on yours, you dodge it and act like you are doing nothing wrong. I'm sorry, but in a game where there are guilds and you could have friends playing alongside you, and those who would be in your time zone, your arguments are just falling a little flat here.
And from some of the comments here, you do put way too much emphasis on the gear, which is only circumstantial to the instances; you can be geared to the nines, but still get rocked by an instance(look at Heroic HoR in Wrath).
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Adamsm
FYI - by week 2 I had master HHOR pretty easily and was pretty happy about doing that as a Prot Warrior given the difficulties many of my cohrot had on that front.Allow me to pat you on the back and say 'Good for you'; for most of the HHoR runs I had, only about half ever actually completed as people would drop group if there was even one wipe on the waves....of course, these were the same people that would stand out in the open so.......
It is because THEY ALSO have found THE SOCIAL DYNAMIC LFD somewhat broken right now.There is no dynamic anymore; if you que up with LFD, unless your incredibly lucky, you'll end up with different people every single time, hence the term Pick Up Group. If you want a good group, again, you'll have to make one instead of relaying on the RNG gods to do it for you.
And your logic is precisely what leads to the Prisoner's Delimma. If there are no consequences for being a jerk because "we all have paid our fees" and there are advantages (which I think there are) for being a jerk while many others are trying to be nice, then the equilbrium (used as game theory does) is for a pretty awful community.I refer you to my 'Welcome to the Internet' post; sad as it is, that's the way the random community of Warcraft is.
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Adamsm
Facebook is surprisingly civil - in large part because your friends can see what you are up to, moderating ones behavior.Lol, right, and that's why you see so many fights and law suits popping from Facebook as well; I was watching some of the daytime judge shows during my week long vacation two weeks ago, and roughly half of them had Facebook/Social network sites as part of the comments where the plaintiff/defendant were arguing/fighting about the case. As for your EBay comment, doesn't work as EBay is not a social site where you can actually speak to other people beyond leaving 'Good Deal/Bad Deal' comments.
Again though, the modern rule of the internet is that what you do on line has no consequences because the chance of ever meeting the people in person is incredibly low, or at least the idea of meeting one that you hate. I've seen complete and utter ass hats during my low level runs lately, and I've seen good groups that I would not have minded continuing running with.
End game, I've heard my guild mates complain and praise the groups; maybe your karma is just low at the moment and your just getting all the idiots. Myself, I think your mainly just blowing all of this out of proportion because of your own beliefs about how you should be treated in an LFD; but think about this, do you really treat the other users the same way you want to be treated or do you go into a PuG thinking "Oh *!@#, here we go again."? If it's the second, they probably pick up on it and just react to you.
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Monday
Facebook is surprisingly civil - in large part because your friends can see what you are up to, moderating ones behavior.
Adams beat me to it, but to reiterate: Lol, are you kidding me? Facebook has some of the worst trolls imaginable,
such as people who laugh at the death of your child or loved one, and say they deserve it while mocking you.
Post by
xaratherus
Facebook is surprisingly civil - in large part because your friends can see what you are up to, moderating ones behavior.
Adams beat me to it, but to reiterate: Lol, are you kidding me? Facebook has some of the worst trolls imaginable,
such as people who laugh at the death of your child or loved one, and say they deserve it while mocking you.
Yeah, I have to agree. There's entire web sites dedicated to nothing
but
the refuse pit that is Facebook trolling. There are stories weekly online about lawsuits filed due to 'defamation of character' or 'emotional distress' due to disputes on Facebook.
Oh...and to the social dynamic. Here is the thing. When LFD first was introduced in WTLK I would say it was a VERY rare run where people did bad things. Almost EVERY pug I ran with in those days had people greeting each other "hello" and most ending with a "nice run"; "Ty for the run"
Over the next week take note of the common courtesies on CAT runs. I think you will see they have DRAMATICALLY fallen off. Measurable decline in civility. That is observable data. In posts above I speculate as to why.
I decided to check this out by polling my guild this evening. Several guildmates had run random LFDs today. Out of the ~15 runs they had completed, only 3 were rated what they would consider 'failing' (either overly rude players, or multiple wipes), and in all but 4 of the successful ones, the others all ended the run by thanking the others. That's actually
better
than my experiences in LFD in Cata.
Again, you're attempting to paint something as a universal truth with data that is limited to your own experience - and in a game with several million players, that makes it like trying to guess which beach a grain of sand comes from, when you're only given one grain of sand.
Now, to add something constructive in regards to something that I do hear quite a bit about: Gear 'padding' (i.e., wearing high iLvL gear inappropriate for your class/spec). Blizzard has the numbers; they know which stats on gear are best for each spec. Why can they not weight the iLvl of the gear when it's non-optimal based on that class/spec?
As a simple example: A Prot Paladin queues up for LFD. Most of his gear is fine, but he's wearing a piece of plate with Agi on it, as well as a leather belt meant more for Rogues. When figuring his iLvL average, the plate piece would only count 90% of its iLvL before averaging, while the leather piece would be weighted at 60% value. PvP gear used in a PvE setting would take an additional 5% weight penalty before averaging.
Post by
DrShadow
I got to agree with the OP. people are trying to slip in with undergear by having pvp gear and what not in their bags. it is a cheap and screwes the entire group. THis is not WOTLK folks. you can not just PULL THE ROOM AOE LAWL! anymore. you have to be properly geared and knowledgeable. people who are idiots will not do well when they hit 80-85. even in Normals you get morons who heal in dps gear tank in dps gear and dps in tank gear its retarted and screwes up the group.
but this is all fixed simple by not puging bro,. I (thank the good lord) finally have a good guild that does H's and Normals daily so i no longer need to pug. My suggestion. if you are a good tank go to trade and say yo tank looking for guild. you will get invites im sure of it.
don't pug, and you wont find the dummys unless your guild has a few. GL.
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freedfromthereal
What little I read can be summed up with this: you seem to think GS means everything, and that you don't have a group of people to run heroics with.
Move on. This isn't Wrath anymore. I have not stepped foot in a PuG heroic, and with good reason; I will not waste 2+ hours of my time, not including queue time, in a group that could very easily fail because some moron decided to queue as a tank with terrible gear, or that boomkin decided to heal for a quick queue. You should do the same, or at least make an attempt to communicate with your group outside of asking for their GS which instantly makes you look like an idiot.
At this point in the expansion, it's on you to be observant of CC going on around you. Sure, it may not have been announced but as a tank you should be
paying attention
to what's going on around you. If your tanking rotation/priority system is taking up too much of your concentration, then you're either not accustomed to it and need to practice it until you can do it with your eyes closed, or you need to not tank. It's as simple as that. You're as much of a detriment to your group as that stupid DPS is if you can't pay proper attention to what's going on and what needs to be pulled back so it doesn't break CC.
YOU need to start playing differently and adjusting your attitude towards PuGs if you want to perform better. Not everyone else. Instead of simply going in and getting annoyed about un-called for CC how about you call it? Mark a target and ask for it to be CC'd, it's not hard. If you see problems, communicate in a manner that doesn't come off as derogatory or asanine; "Hey, I noticed you CC'd a bit early, can you wait for me to pull before you CC please?" or "Please CC and I'll pull," would solve any potential issues there. If you break CC and get called out on it, then own up to it and move on, and try to explain that you could handle the damage intake with a cooldown or something. Communication helps you not get kicked.
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