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Post by
josephles32
I hear a lot of whining going on. Either you don't know how to play ret (2800 dps), you are comparing dps to pre-cata (30k aoe, which wasn't a problem, and understand that no class does that kind of dps currently), or you are expecting the same 'ol easy dungeons from WoLK. Personally, I am level 84 with so-so gear (maily blues, with 2H sword from The Crucible of Carnage (489 dps), and have been out dps'n most 85's in the reg. dungeons. Granted, I am not doing 17.5k single target, like I was in 6k+ WoLK gear, but the ability to move, survive, CC, and assist the group at surviving makes us a nice universal class. Have I complained a bit, yes, but in the end, we will get a dps boost and all will balance out in the end. I like the new mastery system, and sometimes get the lucky 4x-in-a-row proc for TV. No reason anyone should do less than 9k on any boss, and likely should be in the 15k range. I am going to keep rolling with ret, and hope that those that haven't figured it out, will play warrior so I can out dps them :). Quit f'n whining!
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616871
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Post by
Quest
Yes, we need instant FoL again. maybe at 35% effect or something with a CD whenever I crit or something. I liked having a priest bubble and insta FoL. As was said. bubble, loh and only-usefull-soloing HL @ 300% after a kill isnt survivability. Priest bubble and healing synergysed with your damage output is what the damned class is. They got it right for a while then forgot how to nerf $%^& properly and just removed it from the game. DPS took an obvious and balanced hit as a tradeoff for that survivability in terms of lost GCD. It was up to teh designers to balance the amount of survivability and they FAILED in this respect.
At this rate, freak'n rogue will have more healing power from combat than we do. Dont get me wrong, I <3 Holy Radiance, but it is not enough to keep US alive. We are there to be rocks regardless of role, and an all or nothing save the healer with LoH or DI. WE need to stay alive. It does not fit the class role to die from BS area damage like chumps.
Write your congressmen! Either we need a 20% DPS boost or some fscking survivability skills.
Post by
Flonnette
I find that Ret Paladins forget that Divine Protection is separate from Divine Shield. Actually all Paladins should be using this more often since it offers noticeable short term protection while not directly effecting performance.
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616871
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Quest
DP is still a lame way to make the class more survivable. It needs to synergistic with DPS in some where you can trade it off. Either live and do less DPS or die doing as much as any other DPS class.
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126051
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Post by
Quest
clcret look it up
Addons wont magically make our attacks nor spells hit inline with other dps classes.
Fresh 85 shaman are doing 14k on bosses, mages and rogues are about the same. If you can break 10k on a boss as a newly dinged 85 ret, youre very lucky on procs.
Post by
pezz
I dunno, quest. I do (and did, when I had more greens) 12k if I don't have to run around all over the place on a fight.
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616871
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Post by
Carukia
Well I've dropped my Paladin and started getting my warrior to 85.
Funny, im doing exactly that.
I've never enjoyed tanking, and ret is just plain boring.
Fury is lots of fun.
Ret is kinda lagging behind the rest of dps(so is Unholy DK) but itll get fixed soon probly this tuesday? :)
I'm doing 9500 DPS on a level 60 target dummy with a perfect rotation in normal dungeon gear with a couple heroic items, seem's pretty low cuz I was doing more at 80.
1. Raid buffs
2. 30% ICC damage buff
Post by
Quest
I dunno, quest. I do (and did, when I had more greens) 12k if I don't have to run around all over the place on a fight.
How many fights is that these days? Even at our very best when the HPs align we are ~20% lagging behind. It really does feel like vanilla again. Sitting there staring at CS for 3 seconds while I auto attack. Lets not even get into how ret is one of the least survivable trees in the game now.
In short; Retribution Mastery needs a buff.
Post by
Synectics
I'm doing 9500 DPS on a
level 60 target dummy
wut.
I'm no noob, I was in the top 3 DPS in my ICC 25 man raid group, if you are wondering what kind of gear, 6050 gear score should give you an idea.
/facedesk.
I know this was a couple pages back and probably not relevant to the thread anymore. E-peen swinging aside, my point was in this post that a level 60 target dummy has far less armor than a level 85. Testing on a low-level dummy will skew your numbers quite a bit.
Post by
Domoaligato
we are now and always have been gear dependent.
I am going to make the following assumptions and tell me what you think...
I was at 40% crit at the end of WOTLK
using low level WOTLK enchants until the reps are all exalted...
not at the 8% hit cap yet
not at the expertise cap yet.
no tier 10 4 piece bonus anymore.
not in ICC anymore.
do you have a good weapon? ret needs a good 2 hander more than just about anything else.
Everyone is under geared and needs to slow down and realize that we are only 3 weeks into a new expansion. Finish your rep grinding and keep getting gear. it will get better.
Post by
Domoaligato
/facedesk.
I know this was a couple pages back and probably not relevant to the thread anymore. E-peen swinging aside, my point was in this post that a level 60 target dummy has far less armor than a level 85. Testing on a low-level dummy will skew your numbers quite a bit.
what he is saying is that he believes he should have higher dps on a level 60 dummy than he is currently seeing.
I am saying that 9.5k is good single target right now and without a armory link we can not really help without more information.
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Quest
/facedesk.
I know this was a couple pages back and probably not relevant to the thread anymore. E-peen swinging aside, my point was in this post that a level 60 target dummy has far less armor than a level 85. Testing on a low-level dummy will skew your numbers quite a bit.
what he is saying is that he believes he should have higher dps on a level 60 dummy than he is currently seeing.
I am saying that 9.5k is good single target right now and without a armory link we can not really help without more information.
Yeah 9.5k DPS is great if you ignore what all other freshly dinged half green 85 dps classess are doing.
Post by
Synectics
what he is saying is that he believes he should have higher dps on a level 60 dummy than he is currently seeing.
I know what he was saying -- hence why I only quoted the portion I had a problem with, and even bolded it. :P Testing on a level 60 dummy instead of an 85 might make your meter say you do more damage, but you aren't going to be running dungeons or raids against level 60's. Inflating your "DPS" number is useless, is what I was getting at.
And I agree, if you're in Heroic gear and only able to pull 9.5k -- on ANY dummy -- that's pretty low. I've been consistently pulling that amount on every boss with my boomkin with an average iLVL of 315.
Post by
pezz
Heh I do like 6k on my fire mage. I guess that's why I gave up on it. Also that may be my basis of comparison for thinking Ret dps is fine.
Post by
josephles32
I'm not even going to try seperating this terribly large and incoherent post. I will bold the parts that you mentioned that are completely off and comment on them.
We know how to play ret. If someone is doing 2800 deeps, then they shouldn't play ret.
30K AOE is consistantly EASY right now, why would you say no class can do that? Hell, I ran with an 83 through Stonecore who did that.
Ret has no survivability. This is a known fact and Blizzard had made many mentions that are trying to imrpove this fact. Bubble = not survivability, just an OSHI maneuver.
Things are currently not balanced, as also mentioned by blizzard, for Ret. Mainly because of the lack of reliable HP generation.
We're not whining, just discussing the differences.
Also, please seperate your paragraphs--if you want someone to read them, they're not going to unless they feel they have to. Like me.
First 30K AOE is easy right now, ROFL.......lies. I've done every heroic in cata, haven't seen over 18k yet. Still ROFL! Quit spamming BS plz. And yes, we do have survivability, and we survive in the bubble while others could die.....again, spamming bs. No difference discussion, just whining, like i said to begin with. I don't separate anything in paragraphs, bc if you want to read you will.
Please no more replies Kyonu, give someone else to provide some facts :)
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