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My Quandry with Judeo-Christian Beliefs
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Zoltas
Except Scientists usually photograph these things
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204878
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Post by
Queggy
Except Scientists usually photograph these things
Photoshop?Apart from religion, can you think of anything you had to believe before you could find out whether or not it's true?
Sure, anything I've never seen with my own eyes. For example, high end scientific experiments I could never conduct due to lack of funding and/or the scientific know-how. Scientists tell me that have observed certain things under an electron microscope, but I've never seen it for myself, and I probably never will. Yet, I still have faith that they are telling the truth and not just falsifying evidence to get paid.
I'm not sure you've understood. How where you able to determine whether or not they were true after you accepted they were?
The whole point behind Christianity is that you CAN. NOT. BE. CERTAIN.
You have to have faith. I know it probably sounds cheesy to you, but it's true.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, love how this has done what all of the religion debate threads do: Descend into simple Faith vs Science thing, where the same things are said over and over again.
To me, my Faith is fine; I wear a pair of pentacles around my neck, one is the symbol of fire which is my birth element, and the other is a symbol of protection; and since I've worn it, whether it's just my mind telling me to be more careful or not, I haven't had the plague of accidents that used to be fall me all during my childhood and teenage years. Yes, there is no solid 'proof' that wearing it is keeping me from falling on my face, or stopping me from crossing the street and not getting hit by the car.....but in all honesty, there isn't anything to prove it otherwise.
I've said in the thread, I don't believe in the Christian/Catholic God, but I do make prayers to Goddess and Hunter, or send off a quick prayer to one of the other things I believe in. Does that make me 'stupid'? No. Does that make me delusional or any of the other things the more scientifically minded people try to pass off on those with faith. Of course not.
The only time it matters to speak out against religion, is if it's causing harm to happen. Beyond that, let people believe what they want, no matter how you personally feel about it; they aren't harming you so...and hate to be crude here but can't help it: ^&*! off.
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204878
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Adamsm
The only time it matters to speak out against religion, is if it's causing harm to happen. Beyond that, let people believe what they want, no matter how you personally feel about it; they aren't harming you so...and hate to be crude here but can't help it: ^&*! off.
So you shouldn't speak out when people are trying to teach their religion as science to your children?
See, we don't experience that up here. I'm sorry you live in an area where Creationism is taught alongside Evolution, but does that occur at all the schools in your area? If not, and if it really cheeses you off that much, feel free to send them to another one. Of course, is it really that bad to have a different view shown to them, let them make their own choices?
Hell, all over the States, you have in big bold letters in your Senate, your courtrooms, even in the White house: In God We Trust. It's a fact of what the States are that the religion of the founding fathers is integrated into the core of the country. And yes, there are some wackos out there....alright, a lot of them; but again, unless it's actively hurting someone, I just don't get the whole bash the religious people, ridicule them and call them crazy/nuts.
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Monday
unless it's actively hurting someone, I just don't get the whole bash the religious people, ridicule them and call them crazy/nuts.
This ^
I don't try to actively convert people, because it's their choice. If they believe their religion (be it Christianity, Atheism, Wicca or whatever) then more power to them.
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Adamsm
Teaching opinions is fine, if you make it clear they're opinions, but I've never seen that happen (except when they claim evolution is an opinion. The point of school is to teach kids important information, not filling their heads full of their teacher's opinions and expecting them to be able to work out what's true and what's not.Heh, right. Sorry DL, but the idea of learning something from a teacher, but not getting their opinions in the process, don't think that's possible, at least in the grade/high school level, maybe in College/Uni though.
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204878
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Adamsm
/shrug Perhaps; but I've never met one who has tried to convert the entire class to their belief.
Post by
Skreeran
The only time it matters to speak out against religion, is if it's causing harm to happen. Beyond that, let people believe what they want, no matter how you personally feel about it; they aren't harming you so...and hate to be crude here but can't help it: ^&*! off.It
is
causing harm. Teaching someone something that is observably, deductively, and provably false as truth is a crime against the mind.
I was taught that the world was 6000 years old and that we we made from clay. I didn't get a choice is what I was indoctrinated with, and I've had to spend the last several years figuratively scrubbing away all the filth that was so deeply ingrained into my mind. Things like the Big Bang theory and the theory of Evolution are not "only theories." There's no controversy to teach, except between experts and scientists, and right-wing evangelical history-deniers.
And yet all six of my brothers and being taught the exact same thing I was.
My deconversion from Christianity brought me dangerously close to suicide several times. It caused a few years of chronic depression and bitter, seething, acidic hatred at everything I could see. I once tried to overdose on acetominophen because of how depressed my realization that everything I had ever been taught made me.
And now I see my sister going through the same thing. Religion
has
harmed me, and because of my brainwashing, I almost killed myself. And I'll be damned if I let that happen to my brothers and sisters.
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Adamsm
And that's not the fault of all religion; that's how you were raised Skree.
Post by
Monday
And that's not the fault of all religion; that's how you were raised Skree.
^
Post by
Skreeran
And that's not the fault of all religion; that's how you were raised Skree.I'm aware of that, which is why I have have no problem with someone believing something I think is wrong. The problems arises when people push those beliefs on other people, especially young vulnerable children.
Which is why my biggest beef is with Bible-literalist evangelicals (at least in America. I hate genital-mutilating, daughter-killing Muslims and child-molesting priests just as much, but I don't have to deal with them on a daily basis).
Post by
Cambo
I totally agree Skreeran.
There was an old American baptist preacher called Rolfe Barnard, who literally raised hell in his time for opposing mainstream popular christendom.
Coercing little children to come down the aisle and 'give their hearts to Jesus', while they know nothing of sin nor conviction, that is a sin against the child.
I recall as a 9yr old kid in church, becoming converted because everyone else was and I didn't want to feel left out. It's plain and simple, that's how most people are converted and it lends no credibility to the religious movement.
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204878
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Post by
Monday
Still, the same thing could be said about atheism. It isn'q unique to religion.
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629826
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Monday
i believe that religion does cause harm.
i mean look at how many people have died in the name of "god"
How many people die in the name of politics?
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