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Post by
hashmel
Even with the nerfs to stamina multipliers, Leader of the Pack heals, and Savage Defense we've still got more than enough survivability and with these changes bosses will be easier to balance around all 4 tanks.
Single target damage/threat is perfectly fine but going from one of the other 3 tanks to the bear feels "incomplete" while being balanced around an aoe ability we aren't allowed access to for another 1.5 weeks.
Bear aoe threat is balanced around
Swipe
,
Maul
,
Demoralizing Roar
(as minor as it is), and
Thrash
which they have yet to give us access to.
Warrior aoe threat is balanced around
Thunder Clap
,
Shockwave
,
Cleave
,
Blood and Thunder
,
Rev
enge
, and even
Demoralizing Shout
(as minor as it is) which they currently have all of.
Paladin aoe threat is balanced around
Avenger's Shield
,
Hammer of the Righteous
,
Consecration
,
Holy Wrath
,
Word of Glory
which causes healing threat, and to a lesser extent
Eye for an Eye
which they already have full access to.
Death Knight aoe threat is balanced around
Blood Boil
,
Pest
ila
nce
,
Death and Decay
, and
Heart Strike
which they again, already have.
Given it's possible for any of them to have
Retribution Aura
or
Thorns
I haven't included them.
Aoe threat from bears is now minuscule in comparison to others and even heals can challenge Swipe's threat generation putting it just slightly better than Demoralizing Roar for threat. Ever try holding threat with Demo Roar? It works till someone does something.
TLDR: Bears are fine minus a large kick in the
Test Tickles
in regards to aoe damage/threat capabilities, direct your aggression in regards to change accordingly.
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Post by
Thror
Still. My Swipe tooltip says it hits for 1135, while i am actually seeing 600 hits, consistently. I would be fine if the difference between tooltip and actual damage wasn't that big. Now? It sounds buggy.
Damn. I have an item level 277 weapon. How the hell do i hit 600 with an actual ability.
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299735
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Post by
Thror
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/927074024
There is one post from me.
Post by
LookOut
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/927074024
There is one post from me.
Naw you mentionned me as your buddy, I'm touched ^_^
Post by
Thror
WTF, IT'S HASHMEL
Post by
Rankkor
u're not alone in the nerfing.
DK tanks got shafted too.
IBF now reduces 50% damage (down from 60%) and has a 3 min CD (up from 2 min)
Blood presence now gives 30% more armor (Down from 60% AUCH)
Death Strike now heals 20% of the damage taken in the past 5 secs (down from 30%) or 7% of your max HP (down from 10%). this is a double-nerf as not only the self-healing got hit, the Blood Shield procced from it got hit as well.
Post by
Shadax
Sure, but as a DK, you can still do your primary job of generating threat, especially in AoE groups. What they're talking about is how bears AoE has been completely broken with the most recent patch. AoE tanking for bears now is only truly fun and viable for packs of 3 or less (4 if your tank is amazing). Beyond that, you can completely ignore that 'fun' word. And remember, this is a game, and games are supposed to be fun. There is a reason why you are almost always waiting for a tankn in the LFG interface, and that is because tanking is work, and if you make it too hard (which is where it is for bears with the recent swipe nerf), no one wants to do it.
Did we need our AoE taken off of a 1 button spam-fest? Absolutely. Did the 6 second cooldown to swipe work for that and weed out the scrubs? Sure did. Does a further 90% nerf to swipe damage ( 600 / 5000 = 12% ) somehow 'balance' druid damage while allowing us the same AoE capability as the other 3 tank classes? Not a chance.
Post by
Thror
u're not alone in the nerfing.
DK tanks got shafted too.
IBF now reduces 50% damage (down from 60%) and has a 3 min CD (up from 2 min)
Blood presence now gives 30% more armor (Down from 60% AUCH)
Death Strike now heals 20% of the damage taken in the past 5 secs (down from 30%) or 7% of your max HP (down from 10%). this is a double-nerf as not only the self-healing got hit, the Blood Shield procced from it got hit as well.
Yeah, survivability got reduced over there noticeably. But at least you can keep the monsters on yourself... Blood Boil still kicks ass. Being unable to generate decent AoE is like having only one arm.
Post by
Rankkor
ohh I agree that the swipe nerf was too much, don't worry I bet you they will fix that.
Post by
Sokken
Srill i cannot say that aoe really is a problem. we did Icc10 HM last night. was me and another bear tanking and we didnt have any threat issues what so ever considering we had very high dps this run (full clear in 2 hours)
But yes we are behind in aoe threat compared to other classes. have only tanked with a warrior since swipe got changed really and i can honestly say that i had to work my ass off getting multiple mobs off him on trash pulls..
But are bears broken? no.. like said before in the post. swipe is low. but when we get trash we will be perfectly fine again
i cannot say how bear tanking in heroics is atm as honestly i havent even done a heroic..
Post by
Thror
Sokken, i am telling you. If we were to run a raid together, you with a bear, and me with either my warrior, death knight, or a paladin, you would never grab more than two monsters. Period. Druids, in AoE, are vastly inferior to the other tanks atm. It is not good when one tanking class is vastly inferior to all the other tanking classes in an important field of tanking. And if Thrash will be the one ability that saves us, we will become "one button wonders" again, for Swipe is useless. Absolutely.
And am i the only one who is uncomfortable with the fact that the Bear class is gonna be crap for tanking until level 81, and until that, we are gonna have to tell people to do something else? It is not fair for Swipe to be the only AoE skill all the way up to level 81, and it is not fair that it hits like a single tick of Consecration, which paladins do not even rely on as a main threat generator any more.
Post by
Thror
This, used to be proud, BEAR was swiping/mauling since Deadmines ... all the way to Outland ... just hit "I" -> sign in as a tank -> Enter dungeon. Till now. Blizz ruined it. I can't tank anymore. It's pointless. Pathetic. I have my main lvl80 DK (tank, always tank!) now diseaseless facerolling, then I have my protadin lvl 70ish facerolling more than ever and my lvl 70ish warrior (prot ldo) who's holding aggro like a pro and topping damage charts.
But my bear is now forced to be !@@#! (cat) to be a useful member of the group and I like it but the whole point is druid tanking is BROKEN. That's the result in my case, to stop tanking and I'm sure many 'far below lvl 81' druids will think the same ie learn the hard way. Not being able to hold healer aggro? LOL Blizz RUSRS?
To illustrate my point further, i quote this post from
this thread
on the official community site. I do not want tanking to be only for extremely hardcore players who are nameplate gurus. That guy is able to tank with three classes out of four.
That is wrong.
I have also spent this entire day explaining to trolls why Swipe is broken. Hope it gets noticed, or something. I wanna be proud to recommend people to play my class, and spec.
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299735
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Post by
Shadax
Glad I'm not the only one. I always prefered moon for sheeping too. Weird.
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358147
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Post by
Shadax
Also, why is there so many trolls and retards on the official forums?
General lack of moderation, partly by actual mods, more by the forum-going community at large. S'why these forums are so much better. We eat our own (retarded, trolling) young.
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