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How many people hate the new idiot proof talent trees?
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Adamsm
No such thing as Idiot proof.
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Atik
This has been my stance all along. People usual response is that guilds forced you into one spec anyway.
I told those guilds to piss off. I hate these trees and miss my hybrids.
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Sneetch
No such thing as Idiot proof.
Idiots are getting smarter.
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Interest
You're acting as if there was huge flexibility and variety with the old system. That is not so.
Making talent trees with bad talents in them just so the kiddies can pick them by mistake or out of ignorance is not good game design. It's BAD game design.
The new trees are superior in almost every way. Sure, a few hybrid specs are now dead, but most hybrids were severely gimped to begin with so it's not a huge loss.
I concur.
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vic6string
I hate when people talk about "bad specs" in the old system. If you are so worried about squeezing every last point of DPS in end game, so be it, but when leveling or doing BGs I like making custom specs. My original toon was a rogue that was deep sub with some mut and some combat. No, it wasn't ideal for raiding, but I wasn't raiding. It allowed me to do what I wanted to do (be a ninja in BGs and quest solo). When I did finally raid, I made a cookie cutter spec (for no other reason than it was the only way to be "allowed" to raid) but I still used my hybrid for Wintergrasp and BGs and loved it.
This new system takes away all creativity. Blizzard has been saying for years that they wanted people to do their own thing, and that they didn't mean for there to be cookie cutter specs, and then they make a new system that flat out forces people into cookie cutter specs.
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pezz
What else did you want them to do? Here are your options for talent trees:
1) The pointless knowledge test tree: A tree filled with a bunch of passive damage bonuses. Little to no choice about what to do, and you have to at least have a passing acquaintance with theory crafting to not fail.
For players who don't theorycraft, this means they're punished for not knowing what's written on EJ.
For players who do, there is no choice or freedom in the trees. For those players, you may as well just build in all the right talents into the class mechanics and scrap the trees. You'd get the exact same effect.
2) The beautiful snowflake tree: Every talent is so meaningless or so identical to every other talent that no matter how you spend your points, you do roughly comparable damage. The most theoretical choice, but really there's no choice at all, because none of your 'choices' have any different consequences.
3) What we have now: Some passive stuff, and some shiny stuff, but all of it's pretty obvious as to what you should take to anyone with a brain. However, there aren't enough of those points to use up all the points you get, so you pick and choose your own utility to bring to a raid. Basically, you have some prime glyphs and some major glyphs in your talent tree now, as well as a bunch of stuff that could just as easily be built into the class, but Blizzard didn't want to trim down the trees that much (also leveling etc. bla bla bla no one cares about talent min/maxing before 80).
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sutasafaia
I love the new talent trees and everything about them. There was nothing at all positive about the old ones except for one thing: You could make stupid builds that failed. I don't consider that a good thing frankly.
Let's take a look at the new trees shall we?
1: You get to feel like your playing your spec at level 10 instead of level...oh...let's say 40? If I want to be a Shadow Priest, I get to feel like I am at level 10. If I want to be a Protection Paladin I get a special spell just for me at level 10 that makes me feel like I'm playing exactly what I specced into. It feels GOOD.
2: I can't hybrid anymore. Sorry, but I love this. Now instead of people taking the first few talents in every tree and turning themselves into Mr. Gimp your forced to go deeper into your tree. This teaches players who were to stupid to learn on their own that speccing deep is better than speccing wide.
3: Removal of lots of useless talents. Yay! Good! Nothing bad here at all. The passives are now build into the tree itself so your free to take talents you like or think are useful instead of "yay...+1% crit...whoop de frigging doo." So what if you get to choose less talents now? Last time I checked I only got to pick a couple cool talents anyway in the old system.
4: You think there's less choice now, really? In the old system you had exactly one primary build per spec that had one or two optional talents you could choose between. If you were off by even one talent it was enough reason for a serious raiding or PvP guild to kick you. Now you have a primary set of PvE talents, a primary set of PvP talents, and several talents to pick from as optional ones. You generally have 1-2 more choices per build now than you did pre-Cat. Is it a lot? No, but it's still more.
5: Cool talents now come earlier. Because they can now be placed at T3 instead of all the way down to make sure hybrids couldn't reach them. Nothing wrong with this.
6: Nobody really cares about short bus specials. Yes, I'm sure some few people actually made powerful hybrids but the majority were useless wastes of server space. Fun? Maybe for you, but not for the rest of the group you were playing with unless you managed to fall into that minority who actually knew the system well enough to know how to design a powerful leveling hybrid.
So yes, I fail to see even a single flaw in this new system. Is it perfect? No. But it has no real flaws compared to the old system in my opinion.
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Avallen
Oh, wouldn't the world seem dull and flat with nothing whatever to grumble at?
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Oh, wouldn't the world seem dull and flat with nothing whatever to grumble at?
um who? That user isn't registered on the forums. You can't have spaces in between your forum user name.
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Monday
Oh, wouldn't the world seem dull and flat with nothing whatever to grumble at?
um who? That user isn't registered on the forums. You can't have spaces in between your forum user name.
Fail.
As it is, I don't have an issue with them. Makes it easier to get my alts up and going without worrying about whether I'm speccing right.
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