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get to 80, then come back . you just blinded by how "hello kitty leveling" syndrom
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get to 80, then come back . you just blinded by how "hello kitty leveling" syndrom
This. And good luck getting 13 levels (10 of which are the longest in the game right now by a margin) in 2 days. Sounds like a nice sleepless event...
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Karrie
There is no such thing as a 4th Penance tick. Where are people getting this from?
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cloudp
I cannot be 100% sure, but the way Haste's working now, penance can have a 4th tick.
Duration of Penance is 2 seconds. 1bolt/sec. To make that 4, you'd need enough haste so that 4 bolts fire.
It's a simple math calculation:
You cast 1 bolt at 0 seconds, than 2 bolts, 1 per second.
You want 3 bolts totalling 2 seconds.
So, you want each bolt to fire every 0.66(6) seconds.
To achieve that, you'd need
base_cast_time
_____________ = 1,33333333
1+haste_%
2/(1+h)=4/3<=>6/(1+h)=4<=>6=4+4h<=>h=2/4<=>h=0.5
However, the new borrowed time and haste rating adjustments should make that close to impossible outside Power Infusion+Borrowed Time.
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Karrie
Except the duration of Penance (and Mind Flay) is not fixed like with many other channeled spells. It scales with haste the same way it always did, meaning 66% haste will give you a duration of 1.2s and an interval of 0.6s per tick. You will always get three ticks out of it.
test this at 80There is no point in testing a leveling spec at max level. And I can tell you that this isn't nearly as viable as a 'proper' leveling/DPS spec like Shadow on the way from 80 to 85, especially not if you want to level through dungeons. You will, as a healer, not want to waste Penance on a mob in there and your terrible DPS as Disc will only cause wipes if you queue as DPS.
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cloudp
Well, the current T10 priest Shadow set has a lot of extra haste rating and hit rating... If we reforged the Hit rating to Haste on the items that dont have haste, we might be able to achieve this.
The T11 (Cataclysm) set will have a LOT more haste rating than the T10, giving it a much better chance. You cal also reforge mastery, but for I would probably not if you're soloing whatever, just because the extra power on PW:Shield + Reflective Shield is very nice.
If you add up all of the T10 Haste + Borrowed Time, I'm sure Penance could get that special marker.
Not at 85, at all.
The drop (with 1000 haste rating) from level 80 to level 81 is almost worth 10% haste (I saw this somewhere on a thread. Forgive me for not providing a source, but even if those 10% are way off, prepare for gigantic Haste drops.) Blizz said everything scaled too high. They will want lower Haste % values come Cataclysm.Except the duration of Penance (and Mind Flay) is not fixed like with many other channeled spells. It scales with haste the same way it always did, meaning 66% haste will give you a duration of 1.2s and an interval of 0.6s per tick. You will always get three ticks out of it.
test this at 80There is no point in testing a leveling spec at max level. And I can tell you that this isn't nearly as viable as a 'proper' leveling/DPS spec like Shadow on the way from 80 to 85, especially not if you want to level through dungeons. You will, as a healer, not want to waste Penance on a mob in there and your terrible DPS as Disc will only cause wipes if you queue as DPS.
Are you 100% sure of that? Because, as far as I'm aware, all channels benefit from haste. Penance should drop in duration, but if you have enough haste to snip another bolt there, it should go back to 2 seconds, with 4 ticks. I am unable to confirm this, though - The thread I'm checking is extremelly old.
http://talesofapriest.com/?p=942
You can also see a 6 tick penance here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY18luhE_7c
They're both very old, I can't confirm their validity.
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Karrie
Are you 100% sure of that? Because, as far as I'm aware, all channels benefit from haste. Penance should drop in duration, but if you have enough haste to snip another bolt there, it should go back to 2 seconds, with 4 ticks.With PI and Borrowed Time up, the interval between my Penance ticks is way below .66 seconds and I am not getting a 4th tick out of it even though I theoretically should. So yes, judging by that, Penance will always have three ticks. I imagine it's the same for Mind Flay; I bet I would've noticed if it ticked four times during one of the 'POP BL AND ALL YOUR COOLDOWNS AND SPEEDPOTS FOR RIDICULOUS AMOUNTS OF HASTE' moments while raiding.
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Aylia
There is no such thing as a 4th Penance tick. Where are people getting this from?
There absolutely is. All channeled spells, heal over time and damage over time will gain ticks based on haste. It's just not currently working for penance on live. It works on beta, though.
Here
is a more in depth article explaining how it works, including an amazingly useful graph showing the haste points at which all of the channeled/HoT spells for all healing classes gain ticks.
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cloudp
With PI and Borrowed Time up, the interval between my Penance ticks is way below .66 .
Nope, not really. As you can see through my calcs above, it takes 50% haste to get a 4th tick. You get 34 from PI+BT. Are you above or below 16% base haste? Because the time can't be "way below" unless you're fully haste stacked. If you were doing the usual Disc stuff around haste, you'd actually be pretty low from your 3.3.5 times on Haste for a shieldspammer, especially assuming back then you had 3% free haste from talents... (assuming you spec Darkness, 6% free compared to old times if not).
I know for a
fact
that's the way it worked before, a 4th tick could be added. I just can't be sure if that's still up to live.
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Karrie
It works on beta, though.Tested on beta. With PI, BT, Speed Pot and Hurricane proc I was way above the 25% mentioned on that website and still only got three ticks.
Nope, not really. As you can see through my calcs above, it takes 50% haste to get a 4th tick. You get 34 from PI+BT. Are you above or below 16% base haste? Because the time can't be "way below" unless you're fully haste stacked.I have 37% base haste when I put on all of my fancy haste gear (on live).
I am absolutely sure there is no 4th tick and there never will be one.
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Aylia
It's just not currently working for penance on live. It works on beta, though.
...are you 100% sure, as in "I know for a fact, because I've seen it happen on the live servers"...?
Requoted the relevant parts there for you. >_>
No I have not seen it on live, because as I said, it does not currently work correctly on live. So no, I am not going to make a video for you.
This is not a "theory" that I made up, this is how HoT/DoT/channeled spells are supposed to work.
Here
is a blue post that mentions this mechanic specifically.
Believe it or don't, doesn't matter to me, but it will be possible to get four ticks out of penance.
Post by
Karrie
That post doesn't mention channeled spells though. And while it's true that other channeled spells like our Hymns both scale with haste the same way as you'd expect them to, this does not seem to be the case for Penance.
Don't believe me?
Here you go.
(Apparently I have ~74% haste there.)
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