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What's with all the America hate?
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Monday
Both points are subjective.
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HiVolt
Both points are subjective.
'Twas the point I was making.
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Monday
Ah, never mind then =)
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Adamsm
AMERICA! *!@# YEAH!Sorry, but I have to: Meh.
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Monday
AMERICA! *!@# YEAH!Sorry, but I have to: Meh.
O_O GUYZYZYZ HE IS TEH EVILS WE MUST KILLZ THEM CANADIANS!
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Squishalot
I think the reason so many atheists are pushy, superior d-bags is because they've met many religious people who were pushy, superior d-bags who assured them that they were not only superior but that the atheist's inferiority condemned him to eternal torment.
Well, yes and no. The primary reason is that 'knowledge and logic' makes them feel superior, despite their 'knowledge and logic' being no greater or lesser than a religious person's. I'll stop now though, because it's getting off topic.
Having said that, I spent an hour and a half debating with a Christian yesterday on the topic of evidence. Good fun.
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Monday
For the religion issue, why can't one just let people believe what they want?
Because for those in power, belief is not enough. When people attempt to legislate based on their beliefs it's gone too far and they should be called on it.
Yes, that is bad. However, that wasn't the point raised by rubend. His point is that he can't respect religious people because they 'believe in Santa Claus".
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Squishalot
For the religion issue, why can't one just let people believe what they want?
Because for those in power, belief is not enough. When people attempt to legislate based on their beliefs it's gone too far and they should be called on it.
The problem is, you're living in a country that's 65-70% Christian, and 90% religious of some sort. By definition, democratic legislation will inevitably be closely aligned to Christian / religious morals, because those are what society wants as a whole.
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Monday
For the religion issue, why can't one just let people believe what they want?
Because for those in power, belief is not enough. When people attempt to legislate based on their beliefs it's gone too far and they should be called on it.
Yes, that is bad. However, that wasn't the point raised by rubend. His point is that he can't respect religious people because they 'believe in Santa Claus".
Get trolled, bro.
Anyways, my belief is that religious and nonreligious people alike can't know for a fact, beyond a shadow of a doubt that what they believe is 100% true and correct.
I'm not as thick as I look Fayne =PThe problem is, you're living in a country that's 65-70% Christian, and 90% religious of some sort. By definition, democratic legislation will inevitably be closely aligned to Christian / religious morals, because those are what society wants as a whole.
Indeed, although your statistics are a bit off according to what I've seen (and even the censuses looks questionable when you compare the ~70% who call themselves Christian with the ~1.5% who attend church weekly). If you use religion as a justification for enacting a law you're giving tacit consent for those justifications to be questioned just as the religious would have no problem questioning secular justifications.
Just to say, going to church =/= Christian belief. I believe in using the census, considering that it is factual data, whereas otherwise we'd just be guessing, and probably guessing differently.
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Squishalot
Indeed, although your statistics are a bit off according to what I've seen (and even the censuses looks questionable when you compare the ~70% who call themselves Christian with the ~1.5% who attend church weekly). If you use religion as a justification for enacting a law you're giving tacit consent for those justifications to be questioned just as the religious would have no problem questioning secular justifications.
Oh, I don't deny that the majority of people who call themselves Christian don't follow all the religious rules (oh no, that's just because they're human and falliable, that's why they need Jesus!), but they're generally inclined to have similar moral beliefs to that of the Church. I'd say that of the people who call themselves Christian, only 1.5% may attend church weekly, but a great many more would oppose abortion, would oppose homosexuality, etc.
Hence, my point - they're not using religion as a justification for enacting a law, they're using the people's personal beliefs, which happen to align with religion.
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wolfeyoung
News today reveal that American Embassy have been spying on us Swedes...
According to CNN, the US embassy said that the program to track potential threats to the US embassy was not a secret program and used former Swedish police and defense officials to conduct its investigations. (
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Not that I feel this is right for the US to do, but, as of now, it remains unclear as to what happened. I'll be monitoring the news for more information on this and the one in Norway as well.
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