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Gumballs
Hey all.
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Adamsm
I mean it's possible there are Naga off doing other things in the world.
They don't have to be heretics or traitors, they might just be doing other random stuff that doesn't relate to the rest of their kind.
They'd still be working towards whatever Azshara wants them working towards, which puts them in a conflict with the rest of world.
Still...
Before she was just narcissistic and conceited to the point of losing touch with reality.
From the comments she makes when she taunts Malfurion in Darkshore, I think she's still all there in the ways that matter.
Post by
Skreeran
Right, I forgot that the Old Gods in this game are completely impotent and unfaithful to the source material.
/facepalm
Post by
oneforthemoney
Right, I forgot that the Old Gods in this game are completely impotent and unfaithful to the source material.
/facepalm
If they were faithful, the game would be over very quickly. Besides, they're more like Elder Gods like Cthulu who was put to sleep by boat. Not Outer gods who we haven't really seen aside from them wrecking the place just by looking at it.
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Adamsm
Right, I forgot that the Old Gods in this game are completely impotent and unfaithful to the source material.
/facepalm
They aren't, but not all of their servants are completely bat %^&* insane...well okay they are, but they are still able to function; look at the Cho half of Cho'gall: He could make sense while Gall mumbled insanity all of the time. But as this is Azshara, who is clothed in a shield of narcissism, I think she's been playing the Old God who she works with for the whole purpose of becoming the Ruler of Azeroth again. She'll send out here people to conqueror and destroy as needed, but she still wants the world to be hers, unlike the Villain ball that Deathwing grabbed....though you know, Deathwing had Three Old Ones whispering at him, where she's only ever dealt with one.
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Skreeran
True, but I'm still a bit upset at their treatment.
Lovecraft's Great Old Ones were indifferent to the human plight and so far outside of human understanding that we really didn't know what they wanted from the world. They were huge, powerful beings that we couldn't know or understand or reason with. Hell, even their monstrous appearances have been suggested to just be our minds' way of coping with what we're really experiencing (i.e. Cthulhu wasn't actually a giant man-dragon-octopus, but some kind of extra-dimensional creature our mind couldn't accurately model, and so it attached an appearance we could understand). People who encountered Lovecraft's Gods didn't go insane because the Gods had some kind of power to make people go insane, but rather because the awareness of the nature of the universe was so far beyond our powers of reasoning that it actually broke their minds (or rather, fixed them, if you want to think that way). Lovecrafts creations were to us as we might be to an ant, or bacterium. Not only were we pathetically outmatched power-wise, but they were beyond our reasoning and understanding, and we were utterly insignificant to the point of barely even being noticed by most. Cthulhu doesn't need cultists to resurrect him. His cult is just as unimportant to him as the rest of humanity.
Way too many homages to Lovecraft end up with humans being featured in some kind of important role in the story. Cultists resurrect an Old God. A human (or humans) has to defeat the evil monsters and save the world. An Old God is killed with human weaponry.
And that's what the Old Gods in WoW are. Just big fleshy blobs on Azeroth that are pretty powerful and can make people go crazy, but if you hit it enough with a sword, it'll die or go back to sleep or whatever.
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Adamsm
Well that's the point Skree lol; they are a reference, not the actual source in this case. But even the ones we've fought we've never killed; we just lobotomize C'thun and Yogg and leave them to heal up for another several thousand years when they'll try again.
And so far the only ones who have actually killed an Old One are the Gods of the settings....and that Old One killed it's killer.
Also, don't forget, we've never faced a full powered Old One; they've always been weakened or chained and we merely fight a small portion of them while they are in that weakened state.
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355559
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Post by
Skreeran
Well, Skree, it's not an easy concept to wrap your head around, wrapping your head around not wrapping your head around something.Yo dawg...
Post by
oneforthemoney
You raise a good point Skree. There is the whole game mechanics to lore argument, but in the end it all really amounts to how the lore portrays them. And in a setting where people routinely shoot fire from their hands and make gateways through the air across entire continents, the simple fact is that if we tried to consider Lovecraftian gods here, we couldn't really. Magic upsets the whole 'inconceivable reality and realization' quotient, leaving us at a bit of a loss for measuring power.
And to be fair, the Old Gods don't really need their cults to resurrect them. They just use them as tools more than anything to sidetrack people while they break out on their own, like Yogg-saron.
Post by
Morec0
Well, Skree, it's not an easy concept to wrap your head around, wrapping your head around not wrapping your head around something.Yo dawg...
*inception noise*
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355559
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Post by
Adamsm
Well the only thing outside of the scope of a regular Azerothian is a Titan; everything else has been seen in some manner. The servants of the Old Ones? They've been in our capitols. A swarming mass of insectoid and arachnid based creatures? Two wars in Kalimdor, a hidden race in Northrend and now a new one in Pandaria. Being of semi-phenomenal cosmic power? One race has them as their mentors while the Legion constantly tries to rape Azeroth.
The fact is, it's hard to find something that can affect the Azerothian's in that manner.
Post by
oneforthemoney
If they wanted to, they could do what C'Thun kept threatening to and make our hearts explode. Fortunately, as someone said, they were also weakened. Therefore, that we have people with magic of such a wide range of schools could put them down temporarily isn't horribly unreasonable. Though it is a bit weak, admittedly.
Still. Blizz needs bosses, so in the end that's the real reason.
Post by
morginar
So is it ok if i put a naga Sorcerer in ReGen? Perhaps in a cell in the stockades?
Post by
oneforthemoney
So is it ok if i put a naga Sorcerer in ReGen? Perhaps in a cell in the stockades?
Well, provided our lore buffs have no real objections I don't see why not. So long as you keep true to their main racial characteristics and general motivation. Keep in mind that playing as a naga won't be the same as playing a human or one of the usual races. They are a very alien species in terms of general motivation and beliefs.
Oh, and don't forget the general idea behind Regenesis is that these people are at the beginning of their adventures. So your naga won't be too skilled. Maybe factor that into how they were captured.
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Post by
Skreeran
Well the only thing outside of the scope of a regular Azerothian is a Titan; everything else has been seen in some manner. The servants of the Old Ones? They've been in our capitols. A swarming mass of insectoid and arachnid based creatures? Two wars in Kalimdor, a hidden race in Northrend and now a new one in Pandaria. Being of semi-phenomenal cosmic power? One race has them as their mentors while the Legion constantly tries to rape Azeroth.
The fact is, it's hard to find something that can affect the Azerothian's in that manner.I think that's beyond the point.
Lovecraft's creatures weren't just "really powerful creatures that the common man can't understand." They were literally beyond our understanding. Trying to understand what goes on in Azathoth's mind is like trying to see ultraviolet. Our brains literally cannot do it.
It's not just that they're powerful and we don't know why they do what they do. It's like a two-dimensional flatlander trying to understand a three-dimensional person. Titans, Demons, Naaru, and so on are still just three-dimensional living creatures that can manipulate magic, not unlike our own characters. The only difference is scale.
Lovecraft's Gods weren't just greater on a linear scale, but existed on axes we don't even know exist.
Post by
Adamsm
Which is my point about them only being a reference; I know you love the original Old Ones Skree, but expecting the WoW version to be just like them, when the Old Gods are about the evil/chaos and having them unbeatable no matter what would just be a bit much.
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