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The The Shattering: Prelude to Cataclysm Discussion Thread (Spoilers Abound)
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GVHB
The night elves don't play nice with the Horde most of the time. Ashenvale in it Cataclysm state (and to a lesser extent in it pre-cataclysm state) is a prime example of the aggressiveness the Night elves have with the Horde without the intervention of Stormwind's nobility.
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taurenmoo812
The night elves don't play nice with the Horde most of the time. Ashenvale in it Cataclysm state (and to a lesser extent in it pre-cataclysm state) is a prime example of the aggressiveness the Night elves have with the Horde without the intervention of Stormwind's nobility.
Considering the events prior to Cataclysm, that was kind of expected.
Well yeah
Spoilers:
In shattering the twilight cult murder and cut up some night elves in ashenvale, and then murder a group of druids, letting them be found. The only survivor was Hamull Runetotem, and he didn't know they were the cult.
Post by
Adamsm
I liked the first 7 issues or whatever of the comics. At least until Lullabi left.
Heh, I liked pretty much all of it. Beyond that....well can't think of anything to add in.
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Septimus
Why do things get deleted before I can even read them? Cursed timezones.
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ccharger6565
You pretty much hit the nail on the head with your view of the characters. Except on why Thrall turned in his armor. Remember he had a vision where his armor was ripped off from him in a violent manner.To him that meant that if he would still be Warchief then that title would be removed from him in a negative way....either by being challenged by Garrosh , or the Horde itself having a mutiny or possibly even death. By him willingly taking off the armor he prevents any of those things happening.I'm a follower of the alliance since day 1 but i truly respect Thrall and now Baine. But out of all the characters WoW has produced Thrall might be the most popular and the most beloved. I dont think he will return as the Horde leader i believe he is destined for greater things .I believe were are looking at the next Guardian of Trisfal .Just like Aegwynn and Medivh before her.It would truly be the perfect choice.
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Morec0
I believe were are looking at the next Guardian of Trisfal .Just like Aegwynn and Medivh before her.It would truly be the perfect choice.
I think the ''world doesn't need guardians''.
But if that's what it takes to kill Med'an. I'm up for it.
I second that! Vote Thrall for Guardian! Vote Med'an for Deathwing's Chew Toy!
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Behelich
One Man, One Vote Rule in action - the dictator is The Man and he has The Vote.
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Rankkor
ok, going on chapter 5 of the book (dammit I wish I had more time to read it :S but my boss is determined to overload me with extra work to do at home)
I have a question.
Roughly when does this book takes place? because on the pre-cataclysm event in wow, Thrall already appointed Garrosh as Warchief, and soon the twilight will infiltrate ogrimmar and stormwind, and then the elementals will invade and Cairne will be there on Thunderbluff defending it.
however, when the book starts, Garrosh is not a warchief yet, he's barely returning from northrend, yet by the end of the book not only he's the warchief, he fights and kills cairne.
thus, when does this book takes place? at the start it takes place BEFORE the in-game event in wow, yet at the end it takes place AFTER said event.
thus the in-game pre-cataclysm event takes place during the book?
Edit: ok skree since u haven't found that image of Garrosh's duel with Cairne. here it is:
(Warning, if you do not enjoy seeing half-naked muscular bloody sweat-covered men in leather loin-cloths, do NOT look at this picture)
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7001/dueloz.png
:P
Second Edit: THANKS A LOT FOR THE BOOK =) I'd never be able to read it if it wasn't for ya bro' :P I owe u a beer xD
Post by
GVHB
I suppose the book starts a little while after the end of Wrath of the Lich King (after patch 3.3.5) and ends by the time the Cataclysm had already happened. All we see in-game right now is happening at the same time as the book (Garrosh appointment as Warchief, Elemental invasion and Cultists infiltration).
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Adamsm
I suppose the book starts a little while after the end of Wrath of the Lich King (after patch 3.3.5) and ends by the time the Cataclysm had already happened. All we see in-game right now is happening at the same time as the book (Garrosh appointment as Warchief, Elemental invasion and Cultists infiltration).
Stormrage was meant to be 6 months after the end of Wrath; and the Nightmare War was over...what? 3-5 months at the start of the book?(or was it more...) So it's meant to be happening at the same time as the pre-event stuff; but before the Elemental Invasion and the Cultists.
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GVHB
Wasn't Thrall already heading to the Maelstrom by the end of The Shattering?
Post by
Skreeran
Roughly when does this book takes place? because on the pre-cataclysm event in wow, Thrall already appointed Garrosh as Warchief, and soon the twilight will infiltrate ogrimmar and stormwind, and then the elementals will invade and Cairne will be there on Thunderbluff defending it.
however, when the book starts, Garrosh is not a warchief yet, he's barely returning from northrend, yet by the end of the book not only he's the warchief, he fights and kills cairne.
thus, when does this book takes place? at the start it takes place BEFORE the in-game event in wow, yet at the end it takes place AFTER said event.Well, the events of the book and the events of the game are somewhat contradictory. For example, in the book, Thrall appointed Garrosh as Warchief in private, rather than in the presence of Eitrigg and Vol'jin. And while they're using Garrosh's new model in the game, he didn't get his new tattoos until after he became Warchief.
The way I see it, the book gets precedent because of the greater depth of detail that it goes into. Same way I typically go with the comics interpretation of Garrosh and Thrall's duel.
Edit: ok skree since u haven't found that image of Garrosh's duel with Cairne. here it is:
(Warning, if you do not enjoy seeing half-naked muscular bloody sweat-covered men in leather loin-cloths, do NOT look at this picture)
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/7001/dueloz.png
Awesome. I mean, yeah, it still sucks that Garrosh killed Cairne, and I'm not happy about that, but the duel was still pretty epic, and that picture is epic.
Btw, I just realized how similar it is to some
pictures
of
Grom
. They're really trying to hammer the subliminal nail home.
Second Edit: THANKS A LOT FOR THE BOOK =) I'd never be able to read it if it wasn't for ya bro' :P I owe u a beer xDNo problem, bud. :) Always happy to help a less fortunate friend out.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Awesome. I mean, yeah, it still sucks that Garrosh killed Cairne, and I'm not happy about that, but the duel was still pretty epic, and that picture is epic.
Btw, I just realized how similar it is to some pictures of Grom. They're really trying to hammer the subliminal nail home.
You know the intresting thing I found in the book having read all though it was, (
And big spoilers here if you haven't read it yet, THAT GOES FOR YOU TO RANK
) was how it honestly cleared up some truths about what happened, despite be hearing otherwise.
For one thing, Garrosh did not run away when he killed Cairne. It was spread that he ran away from the duel after he killed Cairne supposedly out of killing a horde leader and the uprising it would cause. As it turned out, that never happened. He stood over the body of Cairne and did his warhowl, the same as when Grom killed Cenarius. He did not show any level of grief when he killed cairne, until he realised later that what magatha had done, and all that mattered then was his honor being in tatters.
Also, he did Not help Baine retake thunderbluff. I found it so ironic how it happened, as Baine hoped to find allies in retaking the city, he couldn't trust the orcs, the trolls were to few, the forsaken and blood elves to far away, the only person who he could trust, and who Did help him, was Jaina, and her hiring of the mercanaries.
Lastly, he didn't even have the guts to show himself at Cairne's funeral pyre, someone hinted somewhere he would have, but of course, he didn't.
I'm not sure if the games quests might have twisted what actully happened, cause if it has I've lost all faith in the story writers ingame in not even following the plotline as the real writers tell it.
(Then again, 5 random humans breaking Thrall out the front gate of Durnholde wasn't much to relate to lore either was it)
Post by
Adamsm
A duel to the death, that Garrosh thought he won fairly. He was saddened by being forced to kill Cairne, but the old Bull agreed to the rules; had Garrosh broke down and blubbered like a baby, he would have thought dishonouring the memory of Cairne. And while he didn't help take the city...he also sent a hilarious letter to the Old Crone, and it's now obvious where the 'GET. OFF. MY. SHIP!' came from.
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