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[4.0.1] Is it me or is Hunter's DPS compared to other classes horrible?
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Post by
Wildhorn
I didnt need a clear up. I knew what you meant by Pure Class. I had a Druid as main for a long time, but now for about a year, my main is a hunter and I still think that hybrid tax is bullshit. It is just a "I have less tools than you, so my tools should be better than yours" ego-trip.
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Mudman
Called It. He had to be a Druid. Hybrid Tax is a part of WoW's design so that people will keep playing classes that can only DPS. Hunter's actually have to be able to kill what they are fighting, we don't get to pop into bear form and live forever or pop into caster form and toss 10k worth of HoT's on ourselves by clicking a macro. This means that skill alone isn't enough. We need our spells and abilities to do more damage than a Hybrid, or raid leaders will just get 25 Druids and go kill the Lich King. Your staunch stance and condescending arguments supporting keeping Hybrid DPS above a Pure DPS class is plainly ridiculous. It's not: "I have less tools than you, so my tools should be better than yours"
It's: "I have less tools than you, so my tools should be just as effective." That is not an ego-trip, that's is the only way a Pure DPS class survives. It's not our fault our only "tool" is to melt faces.
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Post by
Mudman
It's not that they shouldn't be able to be competitive, it's that they should have to work harder for it. Throwing up DoTs and spamming Shadow Word: Death shouldn't put you at the top of the meters. You should be required to work in some Mind Flays and Mind Blasts while watching for procs in order to be competitive as a Hybrid. I don't think anyone here has been advocating that Hybrid DPS classes should be doing Tank level DPS, but Hunter's should be able to compete with them even though we don't have access to Cataclysm ranged weapons.
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Wildhorn
@Vesoom: Yes, blue said it and it was not GC who was lead designer when Blizzard mentality changed.
@Mudman: Do you know many Retribution Paladin who could tank Lich King if the tank died? Or could suddenly heal the tank if healer die?
Also, hunter have tank pet, so you are an hybrid. But oooh, your pet can't tank a raid boss? Why is that? Oh yeah, it is too weak, not equal to other tank... you know... just like hybrid were back in time vs other DPS...
Post by
wildx22
Think of it like this, in the "real world" we have General Practitioner doctors offering general medical assistance on a broad range of areas & Specialists who offer higher skills in specialised areas.
If a GP could be just as skilled as any specialist in their area, why would anyone want to go to a hospital and be transferred to a specialist who only does the same quality of work as a GP would do? Hybrid tax makes absolute sense, so hybrid classes aren't the absolute god of everything. We specialise in DPS, so it makes sense for us to be better at DPS. Tanking pet does not make us a hybrid, it's just assistance.
You can say that correct English does not matter as much in online forums - I absolutely agree. But if you're going to argue, at least make your grammar good enough so that your point gets through.
Also, hunter have tank pet, so you are an hybrid. But oooh, your pet can't tank a raid boss? Why is that? Oh yeah, it is too weak, not equal to other tank... you know... just like hybrid were back in time vs other DPS...
That was just gibberish.
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Mudman
@Vesoom: Yes, blue said it and it was not GC who was lead designer when Blizzard mentality changed.
@Mudman: Do you know many Retribution Paladin who could tank Lich King if the tank died? Or could suddenly heal the tank if healer die?
Also, hunter have tank pet, so you are an hybrid. But oooh, your pet can't tank a raid boss? Why is that? Oh yeah, it is too weak, not equal to other tank... you know... just like hybrid were back in time vs other DPS...
I'm confused by what you are trying to say here so I'll do my best to respond.
Hunters are not a Hybrid class because we have access to pets that can take damage leaving us free to DPS. By giving us a minimum range that we are unable to use our ranged abilities, we need these pets to keep mobs far enough away from us so that we can kill them. My pet should not be able to tank a current content raid boss anymore than a Hybrid DPS should be able to blow my DPS out of the water. The entire point of me jumping into the Hybrid vs. Pure debate was to point out that Shadow Priests and Moonkins should not be doing 10% more DPS than me and that they were clearly OP right after 4.0.1 was launched. Maybe I'm just missing what you're trying to say as English is clearly not your first language. I encourage you to drink the Hunter Kool-Aid and forget about the sleights you faced as a Druid. Either that or lay out a convincing argument other than, "I am able to cast damaging spells as a Druid so I should be doing the most DPS".
Post by
Wildhorn
My pet should not be able to tank a current content raid boss anymore than a Hybrid DPS should be able to blow my DPS out of the water.
Yes it should be able to tank it.
Complaining about some unbalanced pre-expension patch made some hybrid class do 10% more damage than you is ridiculous.
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wildx22
- Healing pets, that run to the tank to lick its wounds
Aww, I'd love to have a pet that lick people. Even if it just was an animation, that would be so epic!
In Power Word: Shield style,
from tanking pets
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Wildhorn
@LosRojo: I reiterated it because from you reply, you seemed to disagree that gears would get changed around level 83, but said that they would around 50% of content
I an neither trolling nor ignorant. It is my reply to that Hybrid should have 2-3 crappy roles. Hunter have 2 roles. DPS and crappy tanking. So why not make it also crappy DPS so they can experience the hybrid feeling of vanilla wow?
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Mudman
My pet should not be able to tank a current content raid boss anymore than a Hybrid DPS should be able to blow my DPS out of the water.
Yes it should be able to tank it.
Complaining about some unbalanced pre-expension patch made some hybrid class do 10% more damage than you is ridiculous.
A couple of points I want to make here and then I am done trying to explain the Hybrid vs. Pure concept to you. You said you didn't need a clarification and that you understood Hybrid Tax, but every post before and after you stating that clearly shows you do not.
A) This thread was created specifically so I could complain about the imbalance of this patch that made a Hybrid class more powerful than me by spamming 2 buttons. So that's what I've been doing.
B) I tried explaining why some of our pets are "tanks" with reduced tank abilities. If we didn't have them, then, as a Pure DPS class with a "dead zone", we would not be able to do anything in this game solo. But, just so you understand:
HUNTERS ARE NOT A HYBRID CLASS
. Trying to say they are is ludicrous.
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