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[4.0.1] Is it me or is Hunter's DPS compared to other classes horrible?
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I will say that one glaring mistake I can see was blizzard not giving us Aspect of the Fox for level 80.
This. I don't mind the inconsistencies in PvE DPS right now - that's all a matter of numbers. But, hunters are broken in PvP. If I'm fighting a semi-decent melee DPS, I'm hosed. I can't kite indefinitely, and running around doing nothing but Concussive Shot and the occasional trap does not sound like fun to me. I'm now forced to pick fights with stupid healers and casters that stand their ground rather than rush me, and simply try to escape any decent players that smell blood.
I would have to disagree with you. I can easily kill melee. I've been fighting feral druids, rogues(all types), enhance shammies, warriors and I can easily kite them. I'm not even gonna mention dks since they have always and still are easy for me to kill. I've killed many who outgear me since my hunter only has relentless and the ICC satellite polearm and bow. I can kill any melee in both MM and BM specs. With conc shot being on a 5sec cd and 4sec duration kiting is easy. I just pop rapid fire and my focus regen goes up and I can kite. With readiness I can do it twice. I use my defensive cooldowns to make space while I trap/conc them so I have time to steady shot. I like to use the crocolisks new ability Ankle Crack to keep my target snared while I use my new 8 second Master's Call to keep me moving. As BM I use my spirit beast's heals as well as the stuns to keep me alive. And as BM when I pop Beastial Wrath I can spam arcane shot and kill command constantly without be focus starved. At times I have gotten focus starved but that's what freeze trap is for. Freeze trap them, make some space and then steady shot.
As for my 5man dps compared to other classes it has gone down without me being able to spam volley but I'm sure once I get 5 more talent points and lv85 gear things will balance out. My dps on dummies has been about the same as they were previously. It took me awhile to remember to steady shot more in between my other shots. It's different from the way I could 'blow my load' before and then throw out steadys while waiting for my cds to come back up but once I got my rotations down my dps has caught up.
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Milocinia
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This is horrendous now. I notice many of you don't write so much about PvP so I'm gonna assume you don't do much of this. Without Aspect of the Fox you're nothing but free honor when you're on your own. if you can stand far away and just nuke as if shooting on a stationary boss in ICC then you can dish out "okay" damage, but well, this is virtually never the case in PvP.
As survival and my current gear (granted, I've not reforged to haste, as the rumour is that you need ridiculous amount of haste to make much of an impact on focus regen) my focus regen is close to 4 focus/sec. Basically, if I fire Black Arrow, Serpent Sting and Explosive Shot at someone, I'll end up with around 10 focus. With Arcane Shot costing 22 focus, that means 3 seconds will pass before I can use that, or I could wait 8 seconds to fire a new Explosive Shot. No, you won't get to shoot Steady Shot at people, all your focus regain comes from your normal regen.
I have no idea why Blizzard thought it was a good idea to give us Aspect of the Fox at level 83, that leaves PvP out of the question until then. Why couldn't they rather give us trap launchers at 83, and the fox at 48?
I haven't played Survival since Lock and Load was OP. (I don't like fotm specs.) I've played BM since Classic and I've played MM since WOTLK. Both of those specs I can beat other classes fairly easily unless they really outgear me or have too much tenacity. I haven't played Survival for awhile but you do seem to lack abilities to regen more focus like BM Fervor/Bestial Wrath and MM Rapid Recuperation/Rapid Fire. You might try a Cunning pet in pvp so you can take advantage of Roar of Recovery. I usually prefer a Tenacity pet for Roar of Sacrifice and Intervene but Cunning pets have ROS too plus it would help you with focus.
I do agree with you that Counterattack is rather useless. If you're close enough to a melee class long enough to actually parry a lot of attacks you're a bad hunter and you deserve to die.
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<Insert giant wall of text here>
I must say...that's a very thorough representation of the problems with Hunter at the moment...
Btw, can you link where you got the parses from? I wanna see for myself.I don't think the sky has fallen, but there are some issues.
I agree. It isn't the end all be all. We lack an important shot and an important Aspect. The gear gets better. We will scale. Nothing's &*!@ed.
And Camo is gonna boost our deepz major. Can't wait for that.
So far, I hear Aspect of the Fox is pretty garbage in the PvP setting (mainly arena). Of course, they ARE planning to change it, so we'll see.
And about Camo boosting our dps...
You HAVE seen the spell lately right?
No longer grants bonus damage (taken out quite awhile ago).
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And about Camo boosting our dps...
You HAVE seen the spell lately right?
No longer grants bonus damage (taken out quite awhile ago).
Sorry, /sarcasm doesn't translate well in text sometimes. Yes I know.
Heh. Didn't sound like sarcasm to me tbh. Of course I'm half asleep, so.
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^ I was so disappointed with the latest MMO posts. All these blue posts about pallies & casters. We're left out of the picture with an ugly murloc head for t11. Wtf with buffing mages again.
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Exactly! Paladins are getting freakin' dissertations and I haven't seen a single thing about hunters! /rage
This is exactly the thing that causes GC to unleash the sarcasm and ban-hammer if we post about, though.
There's some good discussion on EJ that our signature shot in MM (Chimera) is severely underpowered compared to where it was (and was SUPPOSED to be?). It needs some further testing, and then the only thing we can do is post about it and support it.
By the way, in Beta, Survival is currently among the top DPS. Ret is just about the only spec that is ahead of hunters in every fight. In regards to Survival being our top DPS spec, of course, makes sense, since it was similar in Wrath. Survival doesn't need the #$%^ton of stats like MM does to make it effective (most notably, high weapon dmg). So, I think a lot of our problems go away at 85, but as I've said before...I think Chimera/Explosive/Kill Command deserve a small buff on live.
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wildx22
^ MM was equally the top DPS hunter spec in Wrath though. Where do BM & MM stand in Beta?
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josephles32
■Class - effective DPS
■Mage - 13575.683916917895
■Shaman - 12920.062860374192
■Warlock - 9790.297762136159
■Warrior - 9544.995313219435
■Rogue - 9185.03964523883
■Death Knight - 7698.754049048371
■Hunter - 7170.618863688528
■Druid - 7161.558132857966
■Paladin - 6310.920759748748
■Priest - 6262.051728476458
I do understand the top end dps guys here, with the exception of paladins and priests. I understand that you didn't separate the healers and tanks, but I typically am around 12.5k with my ret pally and 13k with my mage (single target dps 6k gs on both). As a dps'er with all of my toons, I just feel it is sad that my hunter is still pulling around 7k (usually +/- 500k), and it is a pure dps class. I will not whine any longer, but like I previously said, I'd rather role with my mage or pally atm. Blizz def. needs to bring the hunter class back to what it was made for. Sux right now big time.
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