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[4.0.1] Is it me or is Hunter's DPS compared to other classes horrible?
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Post by
Interest
Hybrid Tax
is a pile of bull*!@# anyways. I'm pretty sure it's been done away with now.
Edit: For the record, I rolled 2 pure dps classes first, and have an 80 of all 4 pure dps classes.
Post by
Mudman
There are several posts in here describing why it isn't bull*!@#. Pre-4.0.1 if you didn't have a Hybrid Tax then you'd have tanks doing huge amounts of DPS and DPS doing huge amounts of healing. With the changes to talent trees, I believe you will see Hybrids only being able to do their role and nothing else so their tax will be less. To elaborate, since you are locked into 31 points in 1 tree and will only have 10 extra points for the other trees, it will be harder to be a 1 man raid team.
Post by
Wildhorn
@northernsky: Whatever man, the fact that you attack my guild just show how meaningless you are.
@canidae: It is not about revenge. And to what class did you change? Hunter? You know that in early WoW, hunters were crappy DPS too? Blizzard needed to add Tranq Shot with boss requiring you to use it on them to make people actually bring hunters to raid. I remember when I was raiding, we often bring the hunters just for these fights with other DPS parked outside to switch on bosses not needing to be tranquilized.
@Mudman:
A) So your thread is useless. It is like complaining about a bug and wanting the game to be balanced around the bug instead to ask/wait for a fix.
B) I can't remember of a single time where my pet successfully hold agro off me, yet never prevented me to do any solo content. For a long times in vanilla, some hunters were not even bothering to get/rezz their pet out (because it was crappy dps increase and didnt generate any kind of significant agro) to solo stuff and they were successful.
Also, if we stick to the definition of Hybrid, hunters are, of course the tanking is crappy and will never be adapted to tank a raid boss (oh you know, just like back in times Balance druids were crappy dps and in Blizzard's mind they would never be adapted to dps in a raid), but it is there (that you want to accept it or not). Consider hunters like a ranged Warrior class with a dysfunctional Protection talent tree.
Saying that Hybrid class should not have the same kind of DPS than a so-called pure DPS is stupid. It would just bring back the old dark age of hybrids where they can't perform anything because they-can-do-everything-but-people-blindly-close-their-eyes-on-the-facts-that-they-can-only-effectively-do-one-at-time. If not EVERY dps spec do the same kind of dps, then what's the point to bring the specs doing less dps?
Post by
Mudman
@Wildhorn: you clearly are only reading what you want to see and being bull headed on the subject. I'll dumb it down for you since that's all you'll understand. The title of this thread is "
Is it me or is Hunter's DPS compared to other classes horrible?"
, and you are posting in it. I didn't create this thread. We are comparing our DPS to Hybrid classes and Pure classes and we were low against every ranged class out there. This is due to us not having access to Cataclysm weapons more than not being balanced. I am doing close to the same DPS that I was doing pre-4.0.1 but I am getting blown out of the water by everything but Warriors. This is not about Vanilla, this about 4.0.1 so I don't know why you keep referring to the state of classes 5 years ago. Have you even done any raid content on your Hunter in WotLK?
Every time you say Hunters are a Hybrid class you are making baby Jesus cry, so please stop your ignorance. In an effort to get this thread back on topic, I am now done responding to you directly. Maybe someone else will succeed where I have failed.
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Post by
Wildhorn
@Mudman: I keep refering to vanilla wow because people brought this stupid Hybrid Tax bullshit. If this thread is about hunter DPS vs other DPS, then compare yourself to other "pure" dps too. If they also do more damage, than there is no reason to bring the hybrid tax bullshit.
And if I bring the that Hunter are like hybrid class, it is to show you how stupid Hybrid Tax is bullshit
That's it.
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Post by
Wildhorn
Why would Prot Warriors, Blood DKs, Bear Druids and Prot Paladins be destroyed in viablility?
And I say hunter should feel the way druid felt in vanilla so you get off your high horse thinking you should be better than everybody else.
And I will ask again, why make a complain thread? Go post in official forums if you have a problem. Wowhead can't help you there.
Post by
Interest
Why would Prot Warriors, Blood DKs, Bear Druids and Prot Paladins be destroyed in viablility?
And I say hunter should feel the way druid felt in vanilla so you get off your high horse thinking you should be better than everybody else.
And I will ask again, why make a complain thread? Go post in official forums if you have a problem. Wowhead can't help you there.
*glances at the Vanilla WoW Survival tree*
*shudders*
(Joking, obviously)
Post by
K0delius
*glances at the Vanilla WoW Survival tree*
*shudders*
(Joking, obviously)
^
Vehemently agreed.
Post by
Rilgon
If you have to kill it in 10 seconds... you cannot die "instantly". So you have other tools to save yourself (
scatter shot, disengage, trap, feign, , ...
). In any case, using Volley withing 0 yards
could
save your toon -yes- but only when fighting low level mobs (with a "slow" dps). In that case, trap + endless_md + multishot completely avoid the aggro situation, making Volley on yourself totally useless.
Rooted in place by a mob with roughly 80k HP that's directly in your melee range
+ pulled directly to the boss's feet +
A 12-yard AoE "you can't survive this, you don't have enough HP" spell
= yes, you can, stop being a !@#$ing moron.
Post by
Interest
If you have to kill it in 10 seconds... you cannot die "instantly". So you have other tools to save yourself (
scatter shot, disengage, trap, feign, , ...
). In any case, using Volley withing 0 yards
could
save your toon -yes- but only when fighting low level mobs (with a "slow" dps). In that case, trap + endless_md + multishot completely avoid the aggro situation, making Volley on yourself totally useless.
Rooted in place by a mob with roughly 80k HP that's directly in your melee range
+ pulled directly to the boss's feet +
A 12-yard AoE "you can't survive this, you don't have enough HP" spell
= yes, you can, stop being a !@#$ing moron.
Rilgon has a good point there. We just gotta single target a shackle...oh well.
Post by
Wildhorn
Master's Call the root effect then disengage...
Post by
Interest
Master's Call the root effect then disengage...
Because the fight is going to totally last long enough to use it more than maybe....twice.
Post by
Wildhorn
Don't know, he said without volley he would die vs that kind of opponent, so gave the solution. Didn't really follow that conversation.
Post by
HoleofArt
And I say hunter should feel the way druid felt in vanilla so you get off your high horse thinking you should be better than everybody else.
You're missing the point completely. I didn't think ignorance ran that high.
It isn't that we should be better than everyone else, it's that we should be competitive. Right now, we aren't. We should be, as we're a pure dps class, and there's absolutely no reason for us not to be competitive other than Blizzard's retarded decision making.
That's the only point people are trying to make when they talk about the Hybrid Tax. Stop being so %^&*ing stupid.
Post by
Rilgon
Master's Call the root effect then disengage...
You mean the undispellable root unless you kill the chains that are holding you?
I know you're not very good at this game, but have you at least done Karazhan? Remember Illhoof? It works like his Demon Chains, but on everyone at once, and you can kill them yourself. (Well, you could if you could do things in melee range that were mildly effectual)
Post by
Wildhorn
And I say hunter should feel the way druid felt in vanilla so you get off your high horse thinking you should be better than everybody else.
You're missing the point completely. I didn't think ignorance ran that high.
It isn't that we should be better than everyone else, it's that we should be competitive. Right now, we aren't. We should be,
as we're a pure dps class
, and there's absolutely no reason for us not to be competitive other than Blizzard's retarded decision making.
That's the only point people are trying to make when they talk about the Hybrid Tax. Stop being so %^&*ing stupid.
The bolded/underlined is the part that show you think you are better than everyone else. It make you sound a KKK member talking about race. Remove it and I would totally agree with you. And like I said, class are not balanced because everything are scaled for 85 and we do not have access to Cataclysm weapon yet, so suck it up for 6 weeks.
Oh, and stop calling people stupid just because they do not agree with you.
Post by
Mudman
And I say hunter should feel the way druid felt in vanilla so you get off your high horse thinking you should be better than everybody else.
You're missing the point completely. I didn't think ignorance ran that high.
It isn't that we should be better than everyone else, it's that we should be competitive. Right now, we aren't. We should be, as we're a pure dps class, and there's absolutely no reason for us not to be competitive other than Blizzard's retarded decision making.
That's the only point people are trying to make when they talk about the Hybrid Tax. Stop being so %^&*ing stupid.
Very well said. And the more Wildhorn posts I read, the more I hope he takes your advice.
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