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Caperon
Yeah I truly must. Despite the fact that 70% PvP Arena matches dont last much longer than the first trinket use. After both players of an arena team use their trinkets its pretty much down hill from there. I wonder why so many PvP mods track the use of the enemy's trinket.
What rating are you playing? Seriously. 2 min matches are below the 1500 ratings.
You're showing your ideas in a raging way, and they're seriously wrong. None of your points stand in the 2000+ scenario.
This, a thousand times this.
(Was going to reply to Manatapit exactly the same way, when i saw his quote by Zolikk. And only to see you already had.)
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Manatapit
What rating are you playing? Seriously. 2 min matches are below the 1500 ratings.
You're showing your ideas in a raging way, and they're seriously wrong. None of your points stand in the 2000+ scenario.
did i say the matches were only 2 minutes long? I said after the first trinket use...most classes can go for a while without using their trinkets. All most every class has something to get out of a snare,fear,stun...without the use of a trinket.
First you say trinket cooldown isn't important because most matches don't last long enough for that (in which case I wonder where you came up with this "fact"), you go on saying that it actually is important, since many mods are configured to tracking its cooldown (in which case I'll tell you how those mods are actually a lot better for tracking shorter abilities).
Wow you must not comprehend very well...the point of me stating that fact that PvP mods track the CD of trinket is because it is after that point where the opposing team has to make a choice on going all offense or playing defensively...and where did i mention i did not know that those mods track the use of other abilities. Assumptions are just idiotic.
Believe me, missing a racial, while it may not be the bane of your race, must definitely be annoying. I can see no fault in Humans desiring a racial that they can actually use.
Can they not use thier racial abilities? They can still roll with a PvE trinket in arenas...just because they choose to take a PvP trinket over thier Racial is no fault of mine...They weren't complaining about their racial when it 2 min, 1 minute longer isnt gonna make em suffer any more than they already are. And every other race had to use a trinket, now humans gotta make a choice. PvE Trinket for defensive or offesive, or PvP Trinket for purely defensive (While still having a trinket skill they can use...) oh my gawd the choices.
Seems to me like everyone is so close minded. Think outside your stupid mindset where the humans HAVE to take the goddamn PvP trinket...seriously
Edit: How many would have loved to take thier DBW + Death's Choice/Verdict, Corroded Skeleton Key + Battlemaster's, or any other combo of PvE Trinkets but have to settle for one because you have to have that Medallion. HUMANS can STILL do that....AND have free Medallion...
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JayTizzle
Can they not use thier racial abilities? They can still roll with a PvE trinket in arenas...just because they choose to take a PvP trinket over thier Racial is no fault of mine...They weren't complaining about their racial when it 2 min, 1 minute longer isnt gonna make em suffer any more than they already are. And every other race had to use a trinket, now humans gotta make a choice. PvE Trinket for defensive or offesive, or PvP Trinket for purely defensive (While still having a trinket skill they can use...) oh my gawd the choices.
Seems to me like everyone is so close minded. Think outside your stupid mindset where the humans HAVE to take the goddamn PvP trinket...seriously
This.
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Ahmi
In fact, many 2v2 and 3v3 matches I'm in get decided in the first 60 seconds.
Apparently you haven't ever played affli lock/resto druid. The games were usually loooooooooooong. :)
@topic:
I have never lost to a human JUST because of his racial. If any of you did... then you are either a rogue (but that's the other racial, perception), or you are doing something wrong.
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cloudp
did i say the matches were only 2 minutes long? I said after the first trinket use...most classes can go for a while without using their trinkets. All most every class has something to get out of a snare,fear,stun...without the use of a trinket.
I'm sorry, but how can I give any credibility to you?
Why do you think Medallion of the Alliance/Horde is MANDATORY in ANY PvP scenario? Why would you consider it? Why does EVERYONE consider it? Because of how incredibly powerful a tool it is. You have absolutelly no clue of it's power. Under that idiotic assumption of yours, any race could use 2 PvE trinkets.
After all, who cares? PvP insignia is only going to be used once at most, so why would I take that crappy CC breaker?
You're contradicting yourself. You give a lot of credit to Medallion when it favors your argument and literally discard it when it doesn't.
Unbelievable.
Close-minded, are we? Isn't this simply your own denial that you're wrong?
Imagine EMFH reworded.
"Increases the cooldown on Medallion of the Faction by 1 minute and reduces your resillience by 153 (comparing to wrath values). In exchange, you may use another trinket slot."
Tell me. How many racials require you to LOSE stats/effects to be used?
This is purelly from a PvP standpoint. Unless you want to argue me Medallion of the Faction isn't mandatory to all races and classes, what I wrote would be EMFH's effect.
EDIT: However, Hospy's point stands as true. Cataclysm trinkets might just be worth a shot. I severelly doubt it, given Medallion's sheer power, and how things are supposed to scale less drastically than on Wrath, reminding us of TBC-style. I can be wrong, though.
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Well. As I understand it, if burst goes down, the importance of CC>damage goes up, and it's going to be the matchbreaking CC that wins, not the best sync of offensive cooldowns such as the Beastcleave's. In those scenarios, the trinket's value goes up, not down...
But yes, it's debatable.
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Manatapit
did i say the matches were only 2 minutes long? I said after the first trinket use...most classes can go for a while without using their trinkets. All most every class has something to get out of a snare,fear,stun...without the use of a trinket.
This was to enforce the fact that most matches last longer than 2 minutes. And the fact that almost every class has some sort of ability to get out of a fear/stun/snare BEFORE they have to resort to using their PvP Trinket.
I'm sorry, but how can I give any credibility to you?
Why do you think Medallion of the Alliance/Horde is MANDATORY in ANY PvP scenario? Why would you consider it? Why does EVERYONE consider it? Because of how incredibly powerful a tool it is. You have absolutelly no clue of it's power. Under that idiotic assumption of yours, any race could use 2 PvE trinkets. After all, who cares? PvP insignia is only going to be used once at most, so why would I take that crappy CC breaker? You're contradicting yourself. You give a lot of credit to Medallion when it favors your argument and literally discard it when it doesn't.
Unbelievable.
Close-minded, are we? Isn't this simply your own denial that you're wrong?
Lol you really only pointed out one part of my statement. Are you truly that dumb? Maybe...
I never doubted the value of the Trinket. The fact is, that every other race HAS to take the trinket if they want that capability. And yes in most arenas its going to be used only once...so why would the Humans want to take the Medallion if they already have a skill that does the same damn thing.
My quote Edit: How many would have loved to take thier DBW + Death's Choice/Verdict, Corroded Skeleton Key + Battlemaster's, or any other combo of PvE Trinkets but have to settle for one because you have to have that Medallion. HUMANS can STILL do that....AND have free Medallion...
L2Read plox. Do a barrel roll on your way out.
This going back to my point of why Blizz shouldn't change anything about the Human Racial nor should they get anything new...its still a usable racial so i dont see why the humans are complaining.
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Poptart
C'mon Manatapit, don't you think you are being just a little ignorant? I think you're letting your hatred for Alliance deter you from seeing what Humans are really saying about this topic.
I'll admit that I was saying the same exact thing when my Undead Rogue and WotF got hit with the nerfbat. "Oh Humans get to have two non Medallion Trinkets cause they have one as a racial and Undead gets the nerf? Humans should get one too! QQ". But the fact of the matter is that both needed to be nerfed. WofF got nerfed the right way. EMFH didn't.
To go back even further: EMFH shouldn't do the same thing as a Medallion at all. That's where Blizz @#$%ed up.
Anyone who says that EMFH was not OP is a liar and a fool because it was in ever aspect of the term. And honestly I think Blizz waited so long to change it because EMFH kept a lot of Ally interest in PvP up.
fotm isn't just a random combination of letters that you hear actual pvpers talking about
the fact of the matter is that not only do players choose their PvP class/race to take advantage of even the slightest OP abilities, the more OP these abilities are, the more likely those players will do well in arenas
there is a direct correlation between the power of a class/race/comp and their arena representation
^Great statement right here
So what I'm trying to say here Manatapit is that it's totally fine that Humans have to equip a Medallion. I totally agree in fact. But Blizz shouldn't have taken the lazy way out and raise the CD on EMFH. They just need to realize the only way to truely balance Humans with other races is to give them some semi-useful racial that can't be replaced by equipment.
Adding a minute to the CD not only balances the issue, but it forces humans to make decisions. You can have a trinket with an extra minute on its CD (which can win or lose a fight), or you can have a BiS trinket (which can win or lose a fight.)
You are missing the point entirely SheeoCo. What I (and other fellow Human PvPers) am saying is that the choice is very simple - take the Medallion. The 2 minute CD is far to valuable to over see. Now, since I CHOSE to take the Medallion I am stuck with EMFH that is totally useless. Tell me what am I suppose to do with it? Besides CTRL+Click Every Man For Himself preceeding ANAL in Trade Chat?
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