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Human trinket racial nerf.
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Post by
Alustriul
Seems like Gotyouall isn't crying about the nerf so much as making the racial useless. The obvious solution here is to give humans a new racial.
Btw, I'm Horde, so my opinion isn't biased.
Post by
Caperon
racials. dont. matter. learn. to. play.
Actually they do..
However i do agree that they dont play a big roll.
Post by
Azazel
racials. dont. matter. learn. to. play.
They matter, but there is a limit to it.
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Manatapit
So you'll forgive us humans for being a little annoyed.
Nope.
Maybe you guys might get a racial that Stuns,Silences,Grants AP, Haste, Negates Bleeds, Gets you out of snares and stuns, Heals you, and then stealth's you after all of that. All in one tightly coiled pile of poop on your action bar.
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Manatapit
What exactly is the point in your comment? You clearly haven't understood what people are saying. The human racial is now useless, therefore we deserve something a little more. That's all we're saying. Just because it was overpowered before does that mean we don't deserve to have anything now? Then how come undead got to keep something after their OP racial got nerfed?
Undead still have the same racial...it still does the same thing.
Only difference is the CD when used with a Medallion Trinket.
You guys shouldn't get anything new.
It is your choice between choosing the PvP Trinket or your Racial ability.
The Undead didn't get anything after their racial got nerfed...they didn't receive a new ability nor did their ability change.
It's still the same WotF with a 30 sec CD when used after a trinket.
So don't come in the forums...whining about how your racial got nerfed...and how Blizz should give you a new racial...the undead have learned to live with their racial becoming barely useful in PvP and almost completely useless in PvE.
So no, Blizz shouldn't change jack squat on the human racial. Learn to live with it or quit.
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Post by
cloudp
I agree with gotyouall.... expect I think that the human racial was pointless to begin with. If you were a human healer, unless you had wrathful in every other slot, you needed the 153 resilience medallion anyway. so, a wasted racial. most melee, again, either unless you had full wrathful, or you were an arms warrior stacking pve pieces, you would take the medallion as well. so bad for people that needed the res, and good for people that could get away without it. to me, a racial thats only good for some classes/specs, is kind of dumb.
You're wrong.
153 Resillience won't match Solace of the Defeated in a mana war - that thing alone is worth more than a Blessing of Wisdom...
improved.
Or a 9k, able to crit, heal that's useable while silenced, such as Bauble of True Blood, with a BoW-on-a-stick extra to it. No 153 resillience can be as game breaking as that. Gear inflation is now so high that I can well maintain 1250 resillience without the medallion, and that's more than enough in the hands of any healer worth his salt. You could be right about extreme situations (Like going all defense-crazy for 5v5), but in most brackets or comps, a healer can spare 153 resillience very well.
You aren't inventive enough to really see EMFH's power. But trust me - it's WELL worth it.
I cited Healer cooldowns. I could continue. A Rogue with an on-use Crit or AP trinket can use it right on his stun lock. As the rogue's goal is to kill that person on that window of time anyway, the trinket essentially counts as (for example) 1k EXTRA AP for you. An offensive caster can go all-crazy with a Haste cooldown right when it's needed - such as the Scale of Fates, which, fun fact, instantly caps you for PvP hit.
EMFH allows such a brutal costumization, that we all saw the nerf coming. However, the nerf itself isn't the problem I'm seeing on the OP; The problem is, whithout this racial, the race won't have a tool to match any other race's PvP traits. Even now, every race has something that's very useful. Shadowmeld is a decent tool. Stoneform is an awsome tool, since nothing removes bleed effects anyway. Escape Artist is a decent tool. Gift of the Naaru is arguably not-so-good, but it's still a mana cost-free heal that has it's place, especially for classes that can't heal. Orcs have a burst cooldown, and the stun reduction passivelly. Undead have the well-known WotF. Tauren, War Stomp, which can be pretty useful, especially considering it's AoE nature. Berserking, an exceptional DPS cooldown. And Arcane Torrent, which everyone knows.
Without EMFH (Since we already settled that everyone WILL have the 2-min cooldown Medallion instead), how can Perception hope to compete with ANY racial? It's useful against two classes and FAR from fool-proof.
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Post by
Poptart
Yeah Manatapit, you are an idiot. Stop puking useless input all over a decent thread. Everyone has had enough.
To think that Humans have to make a choice between a 3 min Racial and a 2 min Medallion is fair just shows your lack of knowledge in PvP.
As I said before; everyone who is Human and cares about being competative in PvP will need to buy the Medallion leaving EMFH absolutely useless and Humans, essentially, without a racial. That is not balanced.
racials. dont. matter. learn. to. play.
HA. You're so funny
Soldrethar
. Go click spam your Moonfire more.
Post by
DarkOpeth
Guys lets please stop with the Ad Hominem attacks.
On topic: For dungeons and raids this still means a free trinket slot.
For PvP, and especially arenas? Forget about it.. so much stuff can happen in 60 seconds in PvP combat and especially arena that a PvP trinket is pretty much mandatory. In fact, many 2v2 and 3v3 matches I'm in get decided in the first 60 seconds. A 2 minute CC/Stun/etc. break is absolutely mandatory.
I strongly disagree with this nerf. If it were so overpowered, that it needed such a drastic extension of cooldown, then how come the arena brackets aren't dominated by all-human/majority human teams?
Because it isn't.
EMFH allows such a brutal customization, that we all saw the nerf coming. However, the nerf itself isn't the problem I'm seeing on the OP; The problem is, without this racial, the race won't have a tool to match any other race's PvP traits. Even now, every race has something that's very useful. Shadowmeld is a decent tool. Stoneform is an awesome tool, since nothing removes bleed effects anyway. Escape Artist is a decent tool. Gift of the Naaru is arguably not-so-good, but it's still a mana cost-free heal that has it's place, especially for classes that can't heal. Orcs have a burst cooldown, and the stun reduction passively. Undead have the well-known WotF. Tauren, War Stomp, which can be pretty useful, especially considering it's AoE nature. Berserking, an exceptional DPS cooldown. And Arcane Torrent, which everyone knows.
This nerf is disappointing to say the least, and In that light, we need something else to compensate.
Post by
cloudp
I strongly disagree with this nerf. If it were so overpowered, that it needed such a drastic extension of cooldown, then how come the arena brackets aren't dominated by all-human/majority human teams?
I always find this sort of argument kinda... questionable. People don't always play the best there is. Some can't bother race-change, and particularly faction-change, since the most known racials would be Will of the Forsaken and Arcane Torrent. It implies leaving all your friends behind, basically - would people really do it for the sake of a racial? Some would, some won't.
The same way you appeal to general statistics, I can say Hydra played Human on the tournament realms, despite being a long-known Undead or Dwarf priest. If, presented with the possibility of 10 races at no trouble, a distinctly known player picks Human, I'd say he did it for a reason. From a Priest's perspective, the array of trinkets available basically beats any racial with extreme ease. Solace is unbeliveable to match one of the priests's greatest weakness - the lack of mana regeneration once he burns his own. Fiend and Hymn are incredibly unreliable.
The way trinkets supplement a class' weakness is as inventive as you can loot. Bauble of True Blood. Scale of Fates. Solace of the Defeated. Hell, the stamina trinket from emblems of frost, whatever the name is, brings a rogue's success rate of Vanish from a risky deal to almost 100% guaranteed to work. EMFH needed an adjustment. Humans, however, didn't need such treatment in making almost every racial PvE or convinience related.
Post by
Manatapit
Yeah Manatapit, you are an idiot. Stop puking useless input all over a decent thread. Everyone has had enough.
To think that Humans have to make a choice between a 3 min Racial and a 2 min Medallion is fair just shows your lack of knowledge in PvP.
As I said before; everyone who is Human and cares about being competative in PvP will need to buy the Medallion leaving EMFH absolutely useless and Humans, essentially, without a racial. That is not balanced.
racials. dont. matter. learn. to. play.
HA. You're so funny
Soldrethar
. Go click spam your Moonfire more.
Yeah I truly must. Despite the fact that 70% PvP Arena matches dont last much longer than the first trinket use. After both players of an arena team use their trinkets its pretty much down hill from there. I wonder why so many PvP mods track the use of the enemy's trinket.
And still... to think that your racial will make or break your PvP game is just retarded and shows your lack of PvP knowledge. Its been stated that racials dont play a big role in any aspect of the game. And your gonna whine and complain that this nerf makes you any less competitive in arena or bg's is gotta be the dumbest thing I've heard. Learn to play like the other 9 races who have to work with a PvP trinket, if your dumb little racial matters that much to you in PvP, you are just sad.
Maybe blizz should change your racial all together and just make your stealth detection a non-passive skill again...
Post by
cloudp
Yeah I truly must. Despite the fact that 70% PvP Arena matches dont last much longer than the first trinket use. After both players of an arena team use their trinkets its pretty much down hill from there. I wonder why so many PvP mods track the use of the enemy's trinket.
What rating are you playing? Seriously. 2 min matches are below the 1500 ratings.
You're showing your ideas in a raging way, and they're seriously wrong. None of your points stand in the 2000+ scenario.
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