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Post by
taurenmoo812
Well well well. looks like someone was inspired a certain admiral father of a certain theramore mage.
And yeah, all this time alliance fans have said theres been no proof to say the alliance attacked, this pretty much signs it, not only that, but shows up the alliance will attack not just a vessal carrying someone whos intent is for good, but also a passing vessal with nothing to do with any of it then.
If I needed a reason to carry on the fight against the alliance, this was it, even when still hating garrosh.
Post by
GVHB
Do you really need to hate a faction in order to like the other one?
Post by
Falrinn
Well you have to remember that the Alliance has been infiltrated by the Twilights Hammer at a very high level. It's not until fairly late in the cataclysm timeline that this infiltration is largely purged, well after the events of the Echo Isles.
If I had to guess, the Twilights Hammer was involved, either in ordering the attack itself, or simply controlling the information flow to the point that such an attack could be ordered based on misinformation and lies. The "no witnesses" clause is especially suspicious in this case. Had the attack been ordered by Varian as a means to capture Thrall and demoralize the Horde, he would of wanted everyone to know as quickly as possible.
That doesn't excuse what was done of course. But it would indicate that not all is as it seems.
Post by
Rankkor
If I had to guess, the Twilights Hammer was involved, either in ordering the attack itself, or simply controlling the information flow to the point that such an attack could be ordered based on misinformation and lies
uhh uhh, because when the horde does something bad, it doesn't matter if a servant of the burning legion was behind it all along, nope, the horde is evil, and they must pay for not controlling their own people.
but lo-and-behold, the alliance does something bad and suddenly "it's not them, they are controlled by the twiligth or by "
come on, face it, the alliance aint so shiny no more.
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taurenmoo812
If I had to guess, the Twilights Hammer was involved, either in ordering the attack itself, or simply controlling the information flow to the point that such an attack could be ordered based on misinformation and lies
uhh uhh, because when the horde does something bad, it doesn't matter if a servant of the burning legion was behind it all along, nope, the horde is evil, and they must pay for not controlling their own people.
but lo-and-behold, the alliance does something bad and suddenly "it's not them, they are controlled by the twiligth or by "
come on, face it, the alliance aint so shiny no more.
I'm glad to see your with this Rank dude. I might be a fenatical Thrall fanboy, but I won't split hairs when it comes to showing the alliance can be as bad as the horde when they do something wrong.
They got given orders, as it was said, to capture Thrall. Someone tipped off the alliance Thrall would be there, since it was 1 horde vessal against 5 alliance ones.
It would be ironic, if the one who tipped off the alliance was someone following Garrosh's command, what better way to stage a further reason to to keep this war going, then saying 'the alliance tried to kill Thrall, we go kill them now!'
I'm even wondering if Garrosh's reaction when you hand in the mark at the end was his fear, knowing Thrall did survive, instead of if Thrall died, he would have nothing to stop his war machine. I would give blood to see a twist like this to happen.
Post by
Rankkor
well, the best way that fleet could had gotten that info would be someone on the inside of the horde feeding them info, but from that to saying that someone suporting garrosh, or that garrosh himself is behind it would be kinda stretching it too far.
I believe what I can see, what I can prove, what I can measure, the only exeption to this is my religious belief, I believe in god even if I've never seen him. but this aint about god, it's a videogame, so I'll only believe what is show proven and is cold-hard logical.
I do believe there could be a traitor in the horde, but adding more than that would be wild speculation, something I don't endorse. Also, there's the posibility that no traitor was involved, SI:7 is after all the secret police of the alliance, their network of spies is as large and as deep as that of the horde's shattered hand.
they must have their hands deep into everyone's secrets. I for one believe that if he wanted to mathias shaw could spark a civil war within the alliance in a matter of hours (not that he'd do that, he's utterly loyal to the royal family of stormwind :P)
this can also go for the leader of the shattered hand and the deathstalkers, the 2 most prominent horde spy guilds.
one thing that surprises me is that in this particular batch of SI:7 that atacks thrall, one of the leading officers is a draenei, odd considering that draenei consider the rogue trade a dishonorable thing (main reason why there aren't any draenei rogues), so one of htem being in a spy/assassin guild is unusual.
Post by
Adamsm
one thing that surprises me is that in this particular batch of SI:7 that atacks thrall, one of the leading officers is a draenei, odd considering that draenei consider the rogue trade a dishonorable thing (main reason why there aren't any draenei rogues), so one of htem being in a spy/assassin guild is unusual.Not really; look at the Broken, they have rogues and assassins in their ranks. Could be it's a Draenei who thinks differently from the rest... or it could just be Blizzard shoe horning in as many Alliance races as they can onto the boats lol.
Post by
taurenmoo812
I guess they wanted to throw a twist in with the draenei there as part of it.
Myself, I'm not religous, so often I would sooner read people and even become sceptical about them. What I read about Garrosh, much like what I read about the orc you see as a goblin when you arrive at orgrimmar before seeing garrosh, are there reactions. The orc was clearly pleasently surprised, and Garrosh seemed to break into a cold sweat. A twist, and one I'd like to see a follow up to.
I do like the idea of this though, and really, really hope they undo the alliances sense of noble whiter then white image with unnoble things like this through cata. Lets face it, blizzard has systematicly ripped apart the redeemed hordes image with Garrosh at the helm, its time the alliance got there good boy image smudged .
Post by
Rankkor
one thing that surprises me is that in this particular batch of SI:7 that atacks thrall, one of the leading officers is a draenei, odd considering that draenei consider the rogue trade a dishonorable thing (main reason why there aren't any draenei rogues), so one of htem being in a spy/assassin guild is unusual.Not really; look at the Broken, they have rogues and assassins in their ranks.
broken are broken, "clean" draenei are "clean" draenei, as much as they may feel pity towards the former, the latter UTTERLY refuse to partake in crafts they consider dishonorable such as assassination and espionage.
just check interrogator Khan on the kurenai village, they have a prisoner, but he himself doesn't dare to torture him, nor does he dare to order a "clean" draenei to do so, but he has no problems in sending a broken one to do the job, and said broken one also has no problems doing the job himself.
Could be it's a Draenei who thinks differently from the rest...
that's exactly what I said xD, and that's why is odd, not many draenei think like this one.
or it could just be Blizzard shoe horning in as many Alliance races as they can onto the boats lol
could be, after all this is a LARGE SCALE alliance attack against a single horde ship (on par with the forsaken invation in gilneas, this a gloves-off full blown attack) and so far I've seen dwarves, gnomes, mostly humans, and some nightelves, and a single draenei.
Post by
Adamsm
Betting on the second more then anything.
Post by
Rankkor
getting back on topic, (wich is to talk about the actual cinematic rather than playing "who's holy and who's not") I find it quite awesome, and another reason why goblins (contrary to my initial impresion of them) are a great race.
they can be as badass as they can be funny, just check the vid, even on a creepy dread moment they still come off as funny. I was laughing my ass off from the moment they poped their lil'heads to see the battle (and screamed in terror) to the small fight they have moments prior.
plus they squeal like girls xD.
I'm quite curious as to how's the worgen vid gonna be.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Ay. This show cases the goblins at there best it seems, sailing a ship full of slaves, but fleeing in terror and leaving them to drown to save there own skin. Am I right in thinking theres a quest on the lost isles later where you run into the captain and take revenge on him?
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Post by
taurenmoo812
Ha. 5 alliance ships against 1 horde ship, destroying it and even destroying a passing vessel with the words 'no witnesses'. Evidense is in both this cutscene and the info we already have from the beta. The alliance attacked, they were after Thrall, they intended to capture him and wanted no witnesses.
We know who started it, since Thrall ship and those with him were not traveling on a war vessel, it was heading for the malestrom.
Post by
Rankkor
@ Rhefeldt
do the goblin starting chain.
Thrall was going to the maelstrom that's his only reason for sailing in the first place NOT to atack random alliance fleets he'd randomly meet.
the horde ship has no canons, I may not be in the beta, but I did sandboxed the cataclysm client, and saw the model of the ship itself, there's multimple models of ships in wow (currently all of them are human or elven or forsaken) but the newly added horde vessels in cataclysm come in 2 varieties, the unarmed transport vessel, and the armed frigate one.
the one thrall was traveling on (Draka's fury) was one of the transport ones.
so: A shaman with a mission to go to the maelstrom, traveling on an unarmed ship, and a fleet of armed-to-the-teeth alliance assassins with specific orders to capture thrall, and you still wonder who shot first........
tsk tsk.
next time, on the street we're gonna see 5 hitmen with machine guns shooting a single cop with a low caliber revolver, and the invesigators askign "who shot first?"
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306612
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Post by
Rankkor
I'd just like to mention to Thrall that if you wanna travel under the Earthen Ring flag, a GIGANTIC Horde symbol on the sail is not the right way to go.
cound't agree more =/
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Post by
Rankkor
I'd just like to mention to Thrall that if you wanna travel under the Earthen Ring flag, a GIGANTIC Horde symbol on the sail is not the right way to go.
cound't agree more =/
I won't argue that the Alliance didn't know what they were doing (they clearly did and clearly didn't want anyone else to know), but whomever designed Draka's Fury should have at least checked to see what flag she was sailing under.
what I'm thinking is more along the lines of:
the earthen ring isn't a profit-organization, it really isn't backed up by any goverment agency (unlike the cenarion enclave wich is funded by darnassus and thunderbluff) nor is it a joint brotherhood of people with diverse skills like the argent crusade.
they strike me as more of a nomad tribe type of group, note how they disaprove the use of machinery, armors and even weapons.
what I think is that unlike the argent crusade (wich has ships, siege weapons, mighty castles and the like) they simply don't have any ships at all. Thus thrall needed to travel to the maelstrom, and he needed an escort.
wich is why he was being escorted by a handfull of orc soldiers of orgrimmar. Also notice the name of the ship, it has the name of Thrall's mother, it could be that this is Thrall's personal ship, thus he'd be reluctant to let it go that easy.
Shaking my head at the amount of ignorant fanboy juices spewing out of this thread.
well excuse moi for being glad that for the first time in 2 years, it's the "other" faction the one that is made to look bad.
this from a player who had to facepalm during the wrathgate, then again during the broken front, then again on the gilnean war, then again on the battle of andorhal.
I'd say this was a LONG overdue juicy bone we deserved after watching our faction dishonored so badly ever since TBC ended.
not trying to be a jerk or anything bro' I more than most recognize the bad stuff in the horde, I'm simply glad that the bad stuff in the alliance is finaly comming to light.
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