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4.0.1 PvE major changes and discussion thread
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asakawa
that gear change IS happening when 4.0.1 goes live.
(just confirmed on the PTR)
hmm, though the head and shoulder items still have spirit on them.
...which is as they will be in cataclysm.
my guess is that the spellpower change is forcing some conversions but they're not going back and solving issues like spirit on lock gear from every set.
either way you can write the guide with that info.
with both t9 and t10 sets using the same currency i doubt you'll be advising people to get t9 anyway
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asakawa
this post
at wow insider is pretty decent. they're usually a little bit dodgy as a resource for theorycraft but as far as i can see this is all good/interesting/relevant info.
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asakawa
based on what? just 'cause you like them?
CB isn't a good glyph on live and is unchanged in cata.
incin and immo are easy choices. the conflag glyph is very similar to the CB glyph but since the same 2 seconds is a higher percentage of the conflag CD the conflag glyph pulls ahead if there are no better options.
shadowburn is not better DPET than our filler. if it were we'd be looking at at destro using that glyph and gaining an execute phase.
that is not the case.
Sburn is just for shards.
Post by
USMCDiablo
All the Major and Minor glyphs seem relatively useless (like current minor glyphs). I also couldn't pick out 3 primes to use for a Demo spec. I'm assuming it'll be Meta, Felguard, and something, but I couldn't pick out a good third ^_^
Anymore thoughts on if we'll be using corruption still? There seems to be little use of it from our talents anymore...Makes me feel like a destro spec hasn't unlocked incinerate so I use shadowbolt instead ^_^
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asakawa
yup demo's tricky.
as you say meta and FG but the FG glyph is a shadow of its former self.
after that it could be something like incinerate for MC procs >.<
corruption's DPET is actually surprisingly good. i've seen some early maths that suggests it's higher even than incinerate for destro.
it will almost certainly be part of the demo rotation just for its DPET without any kind of synergy.
keep an eye out for it becoming part of the destro rotation also.
also, i read on EJ recently that BoDoom is not effected by any of the talents/buffs/debuffs that say "increase periodic damage". this means that it doesn't benefit from haunt, SE and mastery which is huge and answers my questions regarding why affliction would use BoA.
can anyone confirm this because it's not something i've come across before and can't find any maths or a trustworthy source to back it up.
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asakawa
ok bumping this to answer my own question.
testing done.
BoD does not benefit from haste... at all!
BoD does not benefit from "periodic damage" effects.
THIS is why affliction needs to use BoA i guess.
also, when playing demo and destro DO NOT clip doom.
edit:
so, we're probably about a week away from 4.0.1 meaning the bugs and discrepancies we see on PTR are likely to go live as they are.
in theory destro should be the strongest spec since it can pick up almost all the useful talents it needs, barely gaining anything from 80-85.
my own tests show destro >demo > affliction but the simcraft devs say their early versions of the program put affliction out in front by a decent margin suggesting that my tests are likely skewed by my own ineptitude ^_^ (and the lack of execute phases in my dummy tests)
well, demo still has a nice raid buff and is interesting to play if nothing else so i'll likely be playing that the most when 4.0.1 releases. how about everyone else?
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Razmortis
I guess you could just start off with a Shadow Bolt, and start casting another one if you haven't had a nightfall proc before ISB run out. Since it's not 100% I guess you just have to keep an eye on it. I don't know how big the DPS differance is between SB filler and DL filler, but I don't think it'll be such a big cut of your DPS if you apply it manually in a DL spec.
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USMCDiablo
You probably just shoot it once like you do as Demo now to keep it up ^_^
Personally I plan on running Demo as I do now. I'll probably try out the other specs just in case I like them or are better at them, but I've come to enjoy being the Demonic Pact mule and have no intention of changing that around anytime soon.
We'll see how things go the next few weeks and see if I want to change things up in cata. We have plenty of shamans so one of them could turn into the new SP buff mule if I really wanted to run something else.
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Razmortis
You probably just shoot it once like you do as Demo now to keep it up ^_^
Since it's only 66% chance to get an ISB debuff with only 2 points in the talent, it's a bit risky to just shoot it once and forget about it, sadly. ;_;
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Razmortis
Well this thread is not discussing level 85 just yet. ^^
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Razmortis
I'm guessing we "refresh" UA before it runs out, and cast a new BoA after it runs out, yes? (Affliction, of course, referring to the updated part of the quick guide).
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Acabar
I'm guessing we "refresh" UA before it runs out, and cast a new BoA after it runs out, yes? (Affliction, of course, referring to the updated part of the quick guide).
If I remember right, yes. There was some discussion either here or on another forum, can't recall. I believe someone had some hard numbers from testing showing that if you attempt to refresh BoA (ie. clip) you lose out on the heavy hitting ticks.
In other words (unless I read something wrong or it's changed), while clipping BoA does extend its duration in the same manner as it does for other dots, it doesn't recognize the ramp up thats associated with it...I think that makes sense. Let's pretend that makes sense :)
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