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EpicDragon
As a christian if I seen a muslim extreamist in the middle-east publicly burning bibles I wouldnt realy care, they are just books, no one is hurt from bunring them.
But the pastor knew that people would care, and that it would hurt the muslims if he did it.
From my point of view it seems that people in the middle-east are closer to their faith than the people in the US or in (particularly western) Europe. I mean do you pray five times (is it five?) every day? Didn't think so.
The Muslim world needs to realize that just because someone does something that they do not agree with, it does not give the right to kill people. They also need to realize that this one guy doesn't represent every American, and likewise, the extremists do not represent every Muslim.
While I do see your point here, this is also an issue of muslims being closer to their religion than other western people. And I could also turn your statement around to somehting like this:
"Just because someone does something (Construction of the muslim center at ground zero) that they (a handful americans) do not agree with, it does not give the right to burn a holy book to harass millions of people."
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EpicDragon
From my point of view it seems that people in the middle-east are closer to their faith than the people in the US or in (particularly western) Europe. I mean do you pray five times (is it five?) every day? Didn't think so.
One could argue that the fact they must pray five times a day it makes prayer less meaningful.
The fact that in the west we are not forced or oppressed into religion means that those who do choose to be religious are more closer with their faith.
Edit: I've nothing against the islamic faith but I'm not going to be told I'm not as close to my faith as they are.
Hence why i wrote "From my point of view...".
And praying five times a day seems to me (<-notice those three words) that you are serious about your religion.
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apocalypsa
I think all this religious war is bull&*!@. Im an atheist and I dont believe in all that stuff, but do I tell others what to believe? No, I just let them believe what they want to believe. Id burn every holy book I could get my hands on if it was needed to show that I dont care about others religion. Your religion is something for yourself, and to share with others who have the same religion. Its not something to judge people about.
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apocalypsa
Why? If I own a book, I bought it.
Then its my property, and I can do with it whatever I want. Theres no book-protecting law.
Post by
Adamsm
Honestly seems like the Pastor is just as bad as the Muslim extremists; rather then try to deal with it rationally, he's calling for violence and rage to make the day. As for the book burning part(in general); it's wrong to a point, a waste of the book and the money that went into making it. Look at all the Christian/Catholics who bought up and burned a book stores entire library of Harry Potter books back in the day because they were 'evil and corrupting' their children.... then look at the adult woman who put together three items from the books and set her kitchen on fire heh.
TL/DR: Neither side is right in this, the Pastor is just trying to get publicity and fame, and is a bit of a bigot and a racist from what I've heard. As for the Center, if it's really not being built now, that's a damn shame; wonder how long till all mosques in New York will become banned and condemned because they remind people of something that happened 9 years ago today...... even if the rest of the country doesn't seem to like remembering it anymore.
Post by
Orranis
It's fine to speak your mind, but burning books is just wrong. He's not just pissing off the terrorists he's pissing off the Muslim world, possibly spuring them to fight and become extremists.
He is threatening national security.
The Muslim world needs to realize that just because someone does something that they do not agree with, it does not give the right to kill people.
They also need to realize that this one guy doesn't represent every American, and likewise,
the extremists do not represent every Muslim.
I have no idea what you're trying to say at this point.
The American world needs to realize that just because someone does something that they do not agree with, it does not give them the right to infringe upon the civil right's of others.
Not to mention that saying: "If you do this, we will retaliate this way" is terrorism. SO much irony going on here.
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Heckler
The question, both in the Islamic Center and in the Quran Burning, is not about legal rights. Clearly the center is legally allowed to be built, and clearly any attempt to stop it on the grounds of religion is illegal. Clearly the burning of the Quran is legal, and clearly any attempt to stop the action on the grounds that specific collection of ink and paper is somehow immune to the first amendment would be illegal.
These are simple, factual points. The argument doesn't lie in these legal points. The argument lies in doing what is
good and right
for the Country, the World, and Humanity as a whole. It doesn't take religion to teach you mutual respect: that you should treat others as you wish to be treated. It doesn't take religion to teach you that one person is born equal to all others in terms of natural rights and human value. Some religions do teach these things, but the religion is not necessary to know them.
So what is good and proper in the community center? Should we promote the freedom of all people to practice whichever religion they choose? Or should we allow bigotry which is equating the acts of a small number of extremists to an entire religion of 1.5 billion people to harangue and harass and oppress the freedom of religion of others?
What is good and proper in the Quran burning party? Should Christians destroy the equivalent to their Holy Bible in a vengeful, malicious act
specifically designed
to enrage and disrespect an
entire
religion? Or should we all agree that such an act is a clear violation of the universal moral of mutual respect, regardless of who does it?
To me the answers to these questions are clear as day. The world should not be run by anger, vengeance, violence and hate. We should carry out every action as if we are doing it to ourselves, or to our children. I'm not a religious person, and I'm not giving a religious sermon, these are simple morals and values that anyone can see and acknowledge -- bringing good into the world is always the right choice over bringing bad, and one of the most non-subjective ways to define good and bad is through the "Golden Rule" idea that others should be treated at least as good as you'd like them to treat you.
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Patty
The Muslim world needs to realize that just because someone does something that they do not agree with, it does not give the right to kill people. They also need to realize that this one guy doesn't represent every American, and likewise, the extremists do not represent every Muslim.
You just completely contradicted your first sentence with your second.
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