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Monjaru
Your "opposing side" assumes Camo is like stealth, and that it can't be broken. It's not like stealth, as far as I can tell, so your argument is unconvincing.
The only time my side "assumes" that Camo is like stealth is when you're not moving, in which case Camo provides the exact same effect (minus talents to improve its effectiveness) as stealth. So I'm not really sure what you were hoping to accomplish in discrediting me with something I never said.
Convince me. Give me an example of how Camo might be useful in PvE (dungeon or raid). What will I be expected to do in a PvE setting, that I can best achieve with Camo?
Well, for starters, I don't need to convince you of any PvE usage it might have because we've already established that it has potential in PvP and therefore not a useless ability by any standard (save hardcore PvEer standard), which is the only point I was making.
And even if I could (which I can't, because you're just being stubborn at this point), you've already changed the argument. When I made that comment, you seemed to be under the impression that the ability had no PvE utility whatsoever. By your wording (asking me to give it specific utility for dungeons and raids (I assume you mean max level dungeons and raids)), you now realize that it does have uses in PvE, granted not in the areas you want it in. In which case, my argument has already done it's job and rid you of your narrow-minded assumption that Camo would have zero usage in a PvE setting.
But as I'm sure that's not good enough for you: it's a soloing talent in PvE, best used for "stealth" running lower level dungeons and raids more quickly and efficiently.
I never had arena in mind. My frame of reference is battleground. Congratulations, you've just CC'ed yourself.
So tell me, since when is taking yourself and one other player out of the fray in a BG considered CCing yourself? And why does it matter in a BG? Don't BS me. Your mind was all over the arena.
But if you're suggesting Camo has limited use in arena, you're just reinforcing my argument.
And what the hell is this supposed to even mean? I don't even
wanna
know whose ass you pulled that beauty out of. How would I be suggesting that it has use in arena by saying "I never said it had any use in arena." ? But I suppose that makes about as much sense as the rest of your argument, so whatever.
Seriously? You never get dotted? If you're being ignored, you don't need Camo.
You were assuming a worst-case scenario of being fully dotted, and having a melee class on your ass. That shouldn't be happening all that often unless you're just that hated by the other team that you get focused first everytime, or you are just being stupid and trying to solo the whole other team.
If you're successfully kiting a melee class, why on earth would you want to Camo?
Way to take that one sentence completely out of context. The paragraph that you chose that one sentence from was on the off-chance that you are unable to get away from a melee class and are going to try FD to make him lose his target so you might get away.
Camo just makes this tactic a LOT more viable, because now when you run away, that warrior can't charge or intercept you (depending on how they class you, he may actually be able to intervene to you, but I digress) and he can't hit you with a 5 or 6k Heroic Throw crit and finish you off, that pally can't hit finish you with Hammer of the Righteous, that rogue can't slow you down with Deadly Throw, that DK can't Death Grip you or slow you with CoI. How can you NOT see the advantage of this? You are basically free to make your getaway and there's very little (unless the rogue has sprint off-CD, in which case, you may be screwed anyway) the other guy can do about it.
I understand this talent doesn't do much for you, but that doesn't make it a useless skill and plenty of others are happy about it. Hell, most people will probably love it just for the animation; I know when I saw the first video on here it made me wanna start leveling my hunter again before Cataclysm (though I've probably got more alts I wanna level before Cataclysm than I could possibly handle even if I didn't have college to deal with). So seriously, your complaining doesn't change a thing and it is, for the most part, unfounded. Just leave Camo alone.
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Rilgon
Well, for starters, I don't need to convince you of any PvE usage it might have because we've already established that it has potential in PvP and therefore not a useless ability by any standard
For someone that does not PVP, Camouflage is completely useless. Get it through your $%^&ing head.
Edit: It
would
be someone who doesn't even have a Hunter trolling about this @#$%. #$%^ing christ.
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Garenzo
Well, for starters, I don't need to convince you of any PvE usage it might have because we've already established that it has potential in PvP and therefore not a useless ability by any standard
For someone that does not PVP, Camouflage is completely useless. Get it through your $%^&ing head.
Edit: It
would
be someone who doesn't even have a Hunter trolling about this @#$%. #$%^ing christ.
No one in this thread has been denying that it's a PvP skill... If you don't like PvP, well too bad but it's a pretty big part of the game.
Keep convincing yourself that everyone who doesn't agree with you is a troll...
Post by
karlusdavius
I wonder if the reverse argument was given when misdirection came out. Seriously, it's a PvP skill with limited PvE use. Get over it. Some people do PvP rather than pathetic, stale PvE.
The argument here is that it's a fantastic PvP
tool
. Considering the emphasis on rated BG's come cata, it gives hunters incredible diversity and tactical control of situations.
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Gnub
Let's try and keep this civil, alright? I hope someone can prove me wrong in thinking that there's no more discussion to be had.
Post by
HoleofArt
No side is budging either way. Both are too adamant in their opinions.
You may as well just lock it. All "discussion" has passed and is now just being re-iterated over and over again.
This thread is done, imo.
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Monjaru
blah blah blah
Alright, now you're just dodging my points and nit-picking random tidbits from my posts and taking them out of context. I agree with HoleofArt; this thread is over.
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