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California Ban on Gay Marriage deemed unconstitutional - overturned
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Post by
Squishalot
And as for the ruling, I honestly don't care whether gay couples can get married or not. I just think it is stupid that a single judge could make that decision (I know people consider banning gay marriage to be unconstitutional, but I still don't think one person should have the power to overturn a majority ruling).
It's the process. If anti-gay marriage advocates want to challenge it, they're entitled to, and it'll be raised to a higher court / full panel of judges. The one person has the power to deem something to be within the confines of the law, including constitutional law. The fact that the law gathered a majority vote to be passed (which all laws must have at some point in time) is meaningless within that process.
Post by
kattib
Yes He has.
Two words for you here
Prove it.
Post by
Squishalot
Yes He has.
Two words for you here
Prove it.
Prove He hasn't? You're the one making the first claim about Him not talking to us anymore.
(He doesn't talk to me either, but again, I'm not the sort of guy that He'd really have a great conversation with :))
Post by
Monday
Yes He has.
Two words for you here
Prove it.
Prove He hasn't
Post by
kattib
I dont have the burden of proof on me. Anyway saying prove he hasnt is like me saying I have an invisible/intangible mouse in my hand and when you ask me to prove I have it I tell you to prove it isnt there. Itd be absurd to expect you to believe its there since theres no proof.
Post by
Monday
This isn't the place for a religious debate, so I will leave on last parting statement.
I cannot prove He exists. I rely on faith, which is enough for me.
You cannot prove He doesn't exist.
Thus neither of us can prove each other wrong. Go ahead and think you are right, because I will be thinking I'm right.
Post by
kattib
Alright very well, I think you should be more skeptical of things btw :P
back on topic
I think gay marriage is fine, if both groups want to get married then they should be able to!
The only people who should get a say on who gets married if both parties are consenting adults are the two consenting adults.
Post by
Squishalot
Alright very well, I think you should be more skeptical of things btw :P
back on topic
I think gay marriage is fine, if both groups want to get married then they should be able to!
The only people who should get a say on who gets married if both parties are consenting adults are the two consenting adults.
Why shouldn't two consenting kids be allowed to get married?
Post by
Monday
Alright very well, I think you should be more skeptical of things btw :P
I am very skeptical of things. But I do believe in my religion. Rather a funny conundrum, eh? A lot of people I meet think I am atheist from the way I question stuff.
But that's besides the point and pulling the debate off topic.
Post by
MyTie
The mindset of Christians that makes them think they need to "fix" the world and stop sinners from sinning is so out of whack.Same with security companies, and door locks. Who are people to lock their doors and stop people from stealing their cars? Do they presume to think that they are better than car thieves, or that they have a right to stop people from sinning?
The nerve.
Post by
MyTie
Its the type of question that show religion and this all powerful God to be something that is a non-factor
Because people have the ability to choose not to obey doesn't negate what is right. Because criminals exist, the law doesn't cease to exist. Think through it logically, and honestly. Because God allows someone to do wrong doesn't mean that right no longer exists.
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184848
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Post by
Monday
Tell me when he decides something, please-- I'd really like to hear it.
He decided that gay marriage is bad.
And for other things, he decides things all the time, given in inspiration to the Prophet of my religion.
Post by
MyTie
Cool. Tell me when he decides something, please-- I'd really like to hear it. So far all I see is people like you flaunting his name to validate their baseless bigotry.Mark 10:6-9
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184848
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Post by
Squishalot
Why doesn't legalized baptism exist?
It's generally called 'dunking', that is, to act in a way resulting in someone being immersed fully in water. And it's not illegal (although it's also not considered important enough to bother legislating about). And as Heckler pointed out, if
legalised
secular baptism provided government benefits and privileges (and responsibilities), then it should be regulated and be free and open to all people.
His point is that because legal marriage does exist it should be regulatable. My point is that legal marriage shouldn't exist.
What on earth are you calling 'legal' marriage? When did I introduce that? I didn't.
There is a secular definition of the term 'marriage' that has been adopted by most governments around the world. The term 'marriage', in that context, should not be mistaken for the word 'marriage' in the context of the Bible.
What you're saying is that "
governments shouldn't use the word 'marriage' or 'marry', because they have specific meanings in the Bible
". I say that argument is a load of crap. "God" has a specific meaning in the Bible, which is clearly distinguishable from the secular / non-denominational word "god" describing a supernatural, overseeing deity. What other words do you think should have specific meanings that governments and linguists can't touch? Offering? Idol? Bible? Egypt?
A secular government is perfectly entitled to use the term 'marry' if they so wish. It might be confusing for some people, but it's not 'wrong', and it's not that difficult to tell the difference.
'Bumped' for MyTie's attention.
Post by
kattib
This shall be my last post tonight since I gotta sleep
Yes MyTie because you listen to everything in the bible
Luke 19:27 Do you kill non-christians?
Matthew 5:17-19 Do you follow all Old Testament laws?
1st Corinthians 14:34-35 Do you not allow women to speak in church?
There are more but Im too sleepy to grab more
Also why should a bible verse influence the USA, we arnt a christian nation based on christian principles.
(if you doubt this look up Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli)
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184848
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Post by
MyTie
This shall be my last post tonight since I gotta sleep
Yes MyTie because you listen to everything in the bible
Luke 19:27 Do you kill non-christians?
Matthew 5:17-19 Do you follow all Old Testament laws?
1st Corinthians 14:34-35 Do you not allow women to speak in church?
There are more but Im too sleepy to grab more
Also why should a bible verse influence the USA, we arnt a christian nation based on christian principles.
(if you doubt this look up Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli)
I don't kill non Christians. The old testament teachings were there to prepare for the coming of Christ. He came. Women don't speak in my Church. They play a vital role, but teaching is not part of that.
I don't think the Bible should influence the USA. I dislike how the USA makes laws governing principles laid out in the Bible. Which is why I'm not only against the ban on gay marriage, but also against laws that would uphold gay marriage.
Post by
MyTie
Mark 10:6-9
Hahahahaha, I'd rather hear it from the horse's mouth. Seems to me like Mark wrote that, not god.
You openly mock me. How unkind. How intolerant.
No matter. I'll ignore the ridicule and continue to address the base arguement.
Mark was chosen by God to relay God's words and teachings through Christ, which is what the gospel of Mark is.
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