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The Cataclysm Shockadin Guide!
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Overhaul
I'm sorry, goshadstep2lose, I'm gonna have to pull out my joker.
WARNING: TROLLS,
MISINFORMED MORONS
, GO-RET'ERS AND AESTU ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT WELCOME HERE. GTFO
Underlined is you.
As to the previous posters concerns, isn't Counterspell usable on heals too? :)
And no, it doesn't make my instant heals weaker. Where did you get that impression? I'm confused.
Shockadin -is- a defensive healer spec. At least, as much as a regular Holydin tree is.
A healers job is to support their partners in PvP. Damage talents help.
I should appologize. To be honest i just read the last - about 2 pages - of the guide's posts and figured that you were skipping many more healing talents than was the case.
What I call a defensive spec is a H pally that takes only healing talents to play the healing support role. As this makes the pally far better at a defensive play style over that of an offensive play style. Thus I call your spec an Offensive H pally spec.
I agree it is the healer's job to support his/her teammates, but I strongly feel that missing any talents in healing could make or break a fight. I had experienced this first hand, when things are close, everything counts. The difference between a good healer and great healer are not as large as people think.
Given 1sec cast times, it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to be able to interrupt an Exorcism that's part of an instant-cast rotation of Judgements, Holy Shocks, Word of Glory's and so forth. It's only when you're freecasting that you're likely to be interrupted, and if you're free casting Exorcisms in PvP, you're doing it wrong.
And yes, Shockadin is about healing as well as damage. If I want a ranged caster, I'll bring my Arcane Mage who does 3 times the damage, can interrupt/silence and actually has useful CCs.
^ and this was the point I was trying to make. If I wanted the extra oomph to bring a person down, It is much better to have had another class with you and having faith in other players that they actually know how to play their class. Worrying about creating the extra damage isn't your job, your job is to keep those around you alive and to be sure they are able to reach the objectives.
If you do have some free casting time, and are not worried about being counterspelled, then by all means chain-cast exocism, but you do need need the reduced exocism to do that, it would help for sure, but i still think your primary support roll overwrites any secondary support role you may play.
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blademeld
Why were you chuckling?
I've been reading this all again, and it's starting to seem like goshadostep2lose is just taking our words and making them into whatever he wants them to be. I've been looking for an actual "argument" on his part, and I am at somewhat of a loss. Every time he stated something, the next poster would say something bad about it, and he (shadowstep) would just abandon the point or say that it wasn't his point in the first place.
^^that
^_^
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Interest
Coming back to this thread.
After trying out Holy Paladin a bit in PvP, Shockadin is starting to look more and more possible....
Course I could just be outgearing everyone I'm fighting...
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Scharr
I started PLAYING WoW, and by proxy a Paladin, because I had heard old rumors of the Shockadin. By the time I had the game going however, the Shockadin was well beyond dead. The dream always lingered however.
This guide is fantastic! A great primer for those wanting to try something new, or to those who remember, and want to get back into it.
I've had a lot of fun just my first night as a Shockadin in PvP. I have two pieces of PvP gear. The Wrathful Shield, which is easy to get, and a 245 Holy belt I picked up in a VoA. The rest of my gear is ToC era 232 PvE gear. And even against all these Furious to Wrathful geared PvPers, who actually KNOW what they're doing (Yeah, I suck at PvP. I admit it.) I manged to hold my ground for several minutes, provided no stuns landed.
I've noticed a few odd things, however. For example, right now it seems Speed of Light, which is supposed to only affect the haste of those particular healing spells, is also giving haste to Exorcism. Every time Speed of Light procs, the tool tip for Exorcism reflects a shorter cast time, and it obviously casts faster. I'd expect this is a bug to be fixed. Hopefully it doesn't come with a sweeping nerf.
I am going to keep working on understanding the spec, and I hope it stays viable in Cata to at least some extent. It will be a LOT of fun questing and leveling as a DPSing Holy spec, and I won't have to re-gear!
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When you are spamming exo, the debuff will not even have a chance to tick
whether the damage is greater than the damage from the the judgment glyph is something worth theorycrafting
I did read the guide, but you forgot your original point - that you shouldn't be spamming exo. If you're not spamming exo, you do get the benefit of the debuff.
If you use a single Exorcism every 8 seconds (Judgement cooldown), you'll get 20% damage benefit from the glyph. If you use two Exorcisms every 8 seconds, you'll get 10% damage benefit per cast. If you're using more Exorcisms than that, then you're spamming again. We're back to 'obvious' again.
however, I don't see why I'm obligated to do it as I am not the author of the guide
Because you're a critic. The author has already worked out it's not worth buffing Judgement. You think she should. As a result, it's on your back to demonstrate why she should. Funnily enough though, she's right, and all the theorycrafting will just reaffirm the obvious.
its irrelevant what the reformed holydins in this thread have fooled themselves into thinking
Shockadin is now, and always has been holy dps
Through WotLK, they didn't have enough offensive abilities to fill their GCDs. Shockadin hasn't been purely Holy DPS since Vanilla.
how are those points contradictory? She is specing wrong for a shockadin, in that she is choosing healing over damage
See above.
I merely pointed out that it should be discussed
It's not necessary to. If you're moving, you can't use Exo. If you're going to be interrupted, you shouldn't use any cast-time spells unless you're an idiot or can fakecast effectively. In such circumstances, you should use Judgement when it's off CD. But these things were noted in the original guide already.
Let's go back and see what you originally said:
why such little focus on judgments?
don't bother I already know the answer:
this guide involved 0 actual theorycrafting
On a serious note for others, Judgement does less base damage than Exorcism and is believed to have lower damage scaling, adding up to significantly lower damage full stop.
that may have something to do with avoiding talents and glyphs for judgment
Id love to see some numbers proving that a 1.5 sec cast exorcism out dpses a buffed judgment
You stated that you thought (with your 0 theorycrafting) that a buffed judgement would out-dps a 1.5sec cast Exorcism (lol, what shockadin runs around with >1sec cast times with Speed of Light). This was proved wrong, so you decided to change your tact to the instant cast v cast time, which was already addressed in the guide.
If you're making a PvE shockadin, sure, pull out Glyph of Word of Glory and get that 1% DPS increase from Glyph of Judgement. But we're in a PvP world. Maybe you should get rid of your Glyphs of Blind, Sprint and so forth for things like Fan of Knives, for the 5% of occasions that you'll actually use it. Dead Paladin does zero DPS.
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Trolling stops when you stop replying guys.
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If you ask me, the ideal place to stop replying would be here.
why such little focus on judgments?
don't bother I already know the answer:
this guide involved 0 actual theorycrafting
Id love to see some numbers proving that a 1.5 sec cast exorcism out dpses a buffed judgment
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