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"achievements" are a complete joke to me
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Post by
fireproof52
Achievements are for fun.
This.
Post by
Shade1988
Although they are meaningless I really enjoy getting them.
Post by
Kailhun
you have a point, but i dont get why yall are getting so offended in the first place.
That's because you stated your (completely valid etc.) opinion as fact. That tends to get people annoyed, because it seems as though you're saying their opinion doesn't matter, they're stupid for enjoying achievements etc.
If you had formulated it a long the lines of 'I don't understand why people enjoy achievements. To me they're meaningless etc.', people wouldn't have been annoyed (or less so).
Stating opinion as fact is what most people seem to do, and is probably one reason for aggression on forums.
IMO, and all that, of course.
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Post by
Spinkert
I enjoy doing achievements. I'm not a full time raider and other than leveling profs/alt, doing achievements gives me another reason to play. I particularly enjoyed doing Loremaster. It rewarded me with quite a bit of gold and a greater understanding of the story behind the game. As others have pointed out, pets and mounts are also rewards, so for collectors those achievements will be desirable.
This game is so rich in lore and there are other ways to enjoy it. It seems a waste to me to ignore it all in the race to level 80 and raiding for ilvl kabillion purples in which to flex an epeen, but I wouldn't tell someone else that playing that way was pointless.
On the other hand, find me something in WoW that isn't meaningless or pointless, after all, it's just a game!
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mattalingur
To me the achievments are a tool of showing how much of the game I've finished, it is relativily easy to get to lvl 80, grind up the gear and start doing ICC which is the endgame raid. if I didn't have achievments in the game today, I would have stopped playing.
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Post by
xaratherus
I'm sorry, but the original poster is completely right!
And you've got lots of hard evidence of this, right?
An opinion is neither right nor wrong, because it's an
opinion
. One can hold an opinion that's the same as a fact, but it's not the opinion that's important in that instance.
What you state is not a fact. The original poster's opinion is completely acceptable - as an opinion, not as a fact.
I understand the "Blizzard Defence Police" jumping on this as per usual. But the achievement system is, quite frankly, a pretty pathetic way of trying to extend the game which is suffering from a linear and lacklustre endgame combined with a repetitive and dull old game.
I have two roommates who can't stand heroics and raiding. They play solely for the challenge of the non-raiding achievements, like Loremaster.
In the end, why do you propose that your opinion should have any bearing on what someone else finds fun?
Cataclysm (thank God) looks like it's going to correct this, but let's call a spade a spade - all that achievements do is document what is already available in the game. It adds absolutely nothing other than a "cool mount" - christ, is that what WoW comes down to these days?
And all that downing the Lich King offers is pixels and virtual "items" that will be outdated with the first raid of Cataclysm. Christ, is that WoW comes down to these days?
For those saying they enjoy achievements, you don't - you enjoy the game.
Oh, no, my roommates very much enjoy the game
and
the achievements. The only mouth in which your opinion belongs is your own; don't try to put it in mine, because I don't know where it's been.
All that has been achieved (pun intended) is that the endgame has become inaccessable for newcomers due to guilds and pugs demanding that certain achievements have been met before allowing someone to join in. Which is a vicious circle, of course, because how can someone attain the achievement if they're not able to run it?
Actually, in my experience the end game content is now far more accessible than it has ever been in the past. Our guild is regularly taking on new players and fresh 80s, gearing them up, and getting them into ICC.
What you mention regarding achievements I've found true of pugs, but not guild runs.
So there you are - all that the achievement system has done is to provide some superiority complex to nerds behind computer screens and left a raft of latecomers to WotLK sat in Dalaran wondering whether they're missing something about this WoW lark.
From a well-geared, experienced player ;)
And all that the raiding system has provided is a superiority complex to you (a nerd sitting behind a computer screen), who can sit around in Dalaran in shiny T10.5 gear.
Some of that may come off as offensive, but frankly, your presentation of "opinion as fact" has such a supercilious tone to it toward those who enjoy the achievement system that it raised my ire.
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Post by
Drefanator
The reason why RL ask for achievements is that it shows that you've done the instance, and explanation on the basics of the fights
shouldn't
be needed. Therefore you
should
have a higher chance of success.
If you don't like that RL's ask for an achievement than don't pug. I know it brings up the whole issue that you need to the instance before you are allowed to do the instance. But it's part of the game because it generally makes things simpler on the raid.
Can you fake achievements? yep. Should you? Depends, are you on an alt and have done the instance before? then sure, but it'll be just as easy to say "Hey, I've done the raid before, here's my main: <char name>". Should you try to if you haven't done the instance before? Probably not, you're going to make the whole process, possibly bad. You'll be ruining your own progression through the raid, as well as everyone elses.
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Badguy
If people are doing something that they like and it isn't hurting you, why do you care?
I'm tired of seeing people %^&* and moan and start arguments when they should have just $%^&ed off in the first place.
You have no right to whine about what someone else does until it hurts you.
Post by
Varaconn
For those saying they enjoy achievements, you don't - you enjoy the game. The achievement is just a box that flashes up saying you've played a portion of the game. So what? Big woop?
I can't speak for everyone, but as far as myself, you're only half right. Yes, I enjoy the gameplay involved in acquiring achievements, however, I also enjoy the idea that I've gotten said achievements. This might sound like I just basically said nothing, but hear me out -
Agreed that achievements are often just a side effect of playing the game (ie. Level 80, completing a dungeon, getting your mount, etc.) however, beyond those passive achievements, there are many other types of achievements that appeal to players.
Take the new raid achievements. The achievement, Full House, which requires you to have 1 of each of the 5 types of adds in the Deathwhisper encounter (10 man, at least) to be alive when Deathwhisper dies. Not only does this require you to go absurdly out of your way to complete, but, realistically, who on earth would think to do this otherwise? In this example, the achievements almost act like a dare from Blizzard to the raiding world - a unique challenge to overcome in addition to the encounters themselves.
On another end of the spectrum, achievements can simply act as a trophy, or proof. Let's say, in a world without achievements, you claim "Yeah so we finish Ulduar without anyone dying even once." Really, honestly a lot of people wouldn't believe you (not that I'm saying it's necessarily extremely difficult to complete, but there's more than just screwing up encounters that causes deaths - the lag boss, for one). However, now, in the current game, you have that achievement if somebody challenges your claim. Maybe not dying is a bad example, but there's also the quest achievements (I proudly sport my Loremaster title over all else, and I thoroughly enjoyed learning lore while I was at it.)
And then, a point very specific to myself (and others, I'm sure) are the achievements that entail completing something about the game that you don't even remotely enjoy, but you complete out of principle. For completion. I just really don't enjoy PvP. I'm alright at it, I don't have an arena team at the moment, but I'm working on the battleground achievements while I build a pvp gearset to (shudder) start on the arena achievements. As another example, I love exploring, but do I really enjoy flying out to Silithus or Hinterlands to go stand in that spot that's already uncovered on my map but isn't "Discovered" yet? No, but I do it for the achievements.
I complete the specifics of achievements because I get satisfaction from the sense of completion. It makes my character feel clean and finished, just like my incomplete achievements are, to me, like a stain on my character.
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Post by
Adamsm
Basically, skill is dead. As long as you have enough purplez and a shiny box stating what you have done, you're welcome with open arms. If you don't, tough luck, you have very little chance of reaching endgame - unless an understanding guild (such as yours; you're lucky, trust me) takes you on.So, in that vein of thinking; you can just stand around and the boss will kill itself right? As no boss will enrage or do their special abilities which means you have to react as you have that 'shiny box and those purple gearz'. Yes, some idiot guilds advertise for GS, but most don't. Like xaratherus said, it's mainly the puggers who want outrageous links for GS/achievements, even for simple runs.
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