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Post by
FarseerLolotea
It's the sound, not the mobility.If horses' hooves can be muffled IRL, the same could easily be done with the hooves of a sentient unguligrade race. Especially in a fantasy setting where pyrokinesis and shapeshifting are commonplace.
If you mean the Night Elves... aren't all the Night Elf mages returned Shen'dralar?From what I can tell, it's more that the returned Shen'dralar are helping the night elves re-learn it.
Elven rangers practiced a form of druidism. Those rangers who became dark rangers lost the ability to use those powers.HPG 41 Elven rangers draw their spells from their relationships with nature and the spirits of nature. As such, their spell lists are focused on archery, wilderness, animals, and stealth.WoWRPG 102 One of these druid powers called "Speak with Plants", allows the caster to talk to normal plants and plant creatures,WoWRPG 269 using the "language of the trees, of all plants", and sense the plant's emotions and plants history through touch.DotD 167That's from the tabletop game, which is based off of D&D rules. There's more overlap between druids and rangers in D&D.
The retcon of Sargeras' death was petty and worthless. But the Draenei, as a race, were added in a very harsh way: everyone still though that the lost ones were the Draenei, yet ''these blue space goats appear out of nowhere... from a spaceship?,!''. I think that one of the things that made the QQ grow in size was the '' OMG Warcraft is becoming Starcraft '' deal.First of all, I question the perceptive powers of anyone who thinks the Exodar is a "spaceship," or that draenei bear any particular resemblance to goats. And it had been previously established that the Lost Ones were mutants.
I'm rather indifferent when it comes to blood elf druid even though I'd finally play a druid if I didn't have to be a tauren or a troll.Now, see...I'd rather play a tauren or troll than a blood elf. Trolls and tauren are my two favorite Horde races; blood elves are one of my least favorite. I'm simply not
opposed
to the idea of blood elf druids.
Who knows, perhaps as the Exodar (and Silvermoon, lets hope they aren't ignored in Cataclysm) lore is developed they end up getting a class. Dwarves got Warlocks when they settled with a brief (and rather... conflicting) reunion of the Ironforge and Dark Iron Dwarves, didn't they?Dwarves and trolls are also the two least-played races in the game. As far as I'm concerned, that's because their models need work; however, Blizzard seems to think it's because they don't have every single class yet. (Interestingly enough, I've always thought those were the two likeliest races to actually eventually
get
every single class. And yes, that means I'm in favor of trolladins.)
What exactly is going to happen with Forest Song? I was curious myself.As far as anyone can tell so far? Absolutely nothing. On the one hand, it's still there; on the other, it's not a real town yet.
And I actually edited my post to add it, heh.I'd say that the furbolgs would be a more likely influence.
Its a matter of taste I guess. But I can totally see draenei rogues and also druids, just in some more time.It's always
Bri
and
Tav
who get volunteered for this one...then again, it's always her brother and some n00b anchorite who get volunteered to model druid gear.
The Lost Ones got hooves and rogues... that also doesn't seem to be a problem.Actually, I think Lost Ones have sort of claws. Then again, Broken canonically have hoof-claws (although the model doesn't reflect that very well), and they've got rogues.
(Captcha was "wrestling punker.")
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
With the Shen'dralar ambassador being shunned by the Night Elves in Darnassus? I find this unlikely at best.I find it even more unlikely that they'd let a bunch of already-established magi into their start zone where the young and impressionable might get ideas.
Still it passed onto Sylvanas' personal lore (and the Dark Ranger's as well) and, I think, Vereesa is the one who uses ''Speak with Plants".
This Ranger can use Faerie Fire too
Once in position, the lead ranger gives a birdcall to ready the others. Then all rangers bombard their enemies with arrows.
They hamper fleeing targets with spells such as entangle
.Entangle has been a ranger spell in D&D since before WoW existed. Possibly since before WCI, even.
Vereesa is a Knaak character. Enough said.
And how many times do I have to state that I'm not opposed to blood elf druids? The idea that they would "make more sense" than draenei druids is what I take exception to. (Remember, blood elves have drifted further
away
from their old ways.)
Perhaps, I'm not sure. But I meant Akama's Broken who were the best and one of the few examples of Draenei (the original ones after all) that we had seen up until that moment.It was established before BC was even announced that the Lost Ones had been "beautiful" once. Draenei may be
weird
-looking, but it's canon that humans think they're attractive in a bizarre sort of way. (See:
Beyond the Dark Portal
.)
But... but... its cute to call them goats :(Let's say that someone was comparing a race that you like to...say,
pigs
. Would you think that was "cute," or would you find it lame and annoying?
Should such influence be actually significant, then yes of course.It would appear, in the starting area, that they're actually working rather closely in tandem with the furbolgs.
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
If the older ones are worried about the young and impressionable getting ideas, that means that they won't get ideas themselves. That leaves only the Shendralar to be mages as no other Night Elf remains to dabble into the Arcane Arts.Night elf magi...kind of weird me out a bit, to tell the truth. However, I strongly disagree with anyone who puts them on the same level as, say, draenei warlocks.
None, I'm just reinforcing the fact that Rangers are druidic in lore.It seems to me like you're trying very, very hard to convince me that blood elf druids would work, despite the fact that I've stated that I'm not opposed to them.
This is true and I've said that before myself. However, you still have the entire Farstriders practicing lesser druidism, which is already much more than the possible Draenei Druids can answer for. There are actually already Lost One druids. Not that the Umbrafen have any interest in being anything but
trouble
for uncorrupted draenei...but even so.
Released in 2008 while BC was in 2007.Let me clarify: The comment from (IIRC) Caydiem that the Lost Ones had been "beautiful" once was pre-BC.
Beyond the Dark Portal
was where it was confirmed that yes, humans
do
find draenei aesthetically pleasing.
Are they comparing my race in a sensible way? Or in a way that they consider sensible? Is it a harmless community joke?From what I can tell, it's about a toss-up whether "space goat" is used in an affectionate manner or not.
Are they comparing it to pigs in the sense that pigs are dirty? Because I really find it sad that their image is plagued by their capacity to live in a dirty environment, pigs can be cute too.Yes, I'm aware that if you give a pig a choice between a mud wallow and a nice clean pool, he'll tend to choose the pool.
Is my race a fairly good looking version of humanoids who have, say, swine looking tails or ears?If one faction or another got, say, cuteified quilboar, and people were calling them "piggies," that would be one thing. But for how much resemblance draenei actually
have
to goats, calling them "space goats" is about along the lines of calling trolls "pigs." (Especially seeing as yes, "space goat"
is
often meant to make draenei sound less appealing.)
As a blood elf I have to keep up with the very ocasional gay joke though. But its really a joke so I don't care.Now, now. We only call blood elves gay if they are wearing dresses or are Asric.
Well, it is of course. There is even a furbolg shaman trainer in the Exodar I think. But I meant specifically a hypothetical druidic influence and if it was of relevant significance.Hard to say. The furbolgs seem to kind of mix up shamanism with druidism. (While the Stillpine Ancestors are summoned by totems, Yor—at least—seems to be a druid.)
Post by
Runehoof
I actually agree that Draenei should have a new race combo, and druid is the one that fits the best.
Im not saying its a good combination but its plausible. The draenei could have learned it from the night elves which they seem to be somewhat close to.
Also they seem deeply concerned with their enviremental impact that the exodar crash coursed. Taping into druidism could be seen as their way to redeem themselves.
Post by
Corith165
Draenei already have every class in the game except for druids (Blizz seems to want to limit how many races have this) rogues and warlocks (the 2 most "evil" classes) which being a "Good" race like the Tauren, means they don't get. Death Knight is kind of a hand wave since dying in war and being rezzed as Scourge isn't really their fault to begin with as a career choice. And yah so far, Dwarves have everything but Druids and Trolls have everything but Paladins.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Class
the Class Rolls chart near the bottom of the page for who has what.
Draenai are defiantly more interesting to look at than half of the allliance race lineup, as far as simple detail goes anyway. Plus everyone and their mom is gonna roll Worgen in cata anyway and THEY have everything but pallies and shamans, which the Draenai have, so if you really wanted to, you could have a whole alliance server of 10 characters filled out with nothing but Draeani and Worgen.... lol
Or you could be a masochist and have 9 Dwarves and 1 Worgen....*shudder*
Post by
FarseerLolotea
I actually agree that Draenei should have a new race combo, and druid is the one that fits the best.
Im not saying its a good combination but its plausible. The draenei could have learned it from the night elves which they seem to be somewhat close to.
Also they seem deeply concerned with their enviremental impact that the exodar crash coursed. Taping into druidism could be seen as their way to redeem themselves.That was more or less my thought, but I'd want to see more work put into it than that.
Draenei already have every class in the game except for druids (Blizz seems to want to limit how many races have this)Blood elves already have every class in the game except for warriors, shaman, and druids. Humans already have every class in the game except for hunters, shaman, and druids. Trolls...well,
will
pretty much have every class in the game.
In other words, there are currently three races that have just as many classes as draenei. All of them get at least one new option apiece. (While this is a rather petty gripe: it should be noted that every race
except
draenei has at least one of the two classes that can stealth indefinitely. In fact, after Cataclysm, three of them will have
both
.) So...making a big deal out of how many classes draenei currently have is a bit of a red herring.
And once again: leaving one race entirely out of the loop should be a
bigger
no-no than either making the druid class less exclusive or imbalancing the ratio. rogues and warlocks (the 2 most "evil" classes) which being a "Good" race like the Tauren, means they don't get.Agreed on warlock. Rogues, however, could be military scouts. And yah so far, Dwarves have everything but Druids and Trolls have everything but Paladins.While I have nothing against this (I've always thought that those two races were the most feasible choices to eventually get every class), lore-wise, for the most part, the addition of warlock to those races was a bit disingenuous of Blizzard. They made excuses for not giving draenei a new class, and swore up and down that the same applied to any other combination not announced at BlizzCon. Then, they turned around and gave dwarves and trolls (admittedly the least-played races in the game) nine classes apiece.
I can't help but see it as a desperate attempt both to get people to roll more dwarves and trolls (here's a novel idea:
tidy up the models instead
), and to distract people from the fact that they're
still
leaving draenei out of the loop.
Draenai are defiantly more interesting to look at than half of the allliance race lineup, as far as simple detail goes anyway.Half, hell. Even if one argues that worgen get points for also being less "classic fantasy," the other four Alliance races are essentially humans, heavy-gravity humans, and two different styles of anime character. Plus everyone and their mom is gonna roll Worgen in cata anyway and THEY have everything but pallies and shamans, which the Draenai have, so if you really wanted to, you could have a whole alliance server of 10 characters filled out with nothing but Draeani and Worgen.... lolEven if worgen were guaranteed to interest absolutely
everyone
, that would only mean that the inevitable lag in their starting area would be all the worse.
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Post by
Santillan
Dear Lolotea,
I seriously doubt there is some sort of anti-Draenei agenda by the developers - the race was implemented and that is that, they need to support it. Trolls endured that for a long time until the taking of Echo Isles - they were just not supported in the development of its race. (Which, I must add, is a pretty new thing altogether - only with phasing has the game become more cinematic in that aspect.)
I think that the lack of any new classes for Draenei is due to the developers wanting to keep them as a pure and righteous race. That is the overall feel they are supposed to sell - that is the demographic they appeal: those looking to be the paladin, the hero.
Its selection of classes is mostly due to all of them being noble: paladins and priests were the obvious additions, magi, warriors and hunters can be honorable, and shaman was a logistic choice more than anything.
The classes they can't be are rogues, druids and warlocks.
Adding 'locks is out of the question (although the Eredar contingent should know a trick or two about the subject); rogues go against the nobility part, and druids are annoying to code because it requires models for each form, which the designers don't really fancy doing.
They already have quite a selection of classes, though. Humans have many options because they are an extremely popular choice - racials aside -, and Blood Elves are so in the East. Trolls have many options - well, who knows why? I suppose because they want to boost their numbers, Dwarves are getting their fair share of new entries with the addition of shaman to their repertoire.
Two notes:
1) Thank you for your support for the Trolladin cause. I would never cancel my subscription again if that were an option.
2) I don't mind the existence of Draenei as much as the whitewashing of their blame for the corruption of Sargeras. If they were this holy
in spite of
(or even
because
) carrying the burden for creating the Burning Legion, if they at least had that weight upon their shoulders, I would believe them to be a more interesting race.
As they stand, all I can see is a product aimed at an specific target market.
3) Hunters are scouts. Rogues are assassins. Draenei CAN be assassins, but allowing players to roll one would contradict with their model.
4) Updating models is the best idea they could have to improve faction balance, but it's the least they want to do... they really hate making new models.
Post by
whysoserious
Why is this Farseer trololtea always trolled lol.
i think spacegoats are pretty cool druids, teyh kill baddies and dont afraid of anything
Post by
neoscorpio
yes draenei druids can be added to the lore, some reasons would be:
1 - draenei have shamans, it shows they do have some connection to the nature
2 - there are druids among the lost ones, maybe a lost one druid can teach druidism to the draenei like how they were taught shamanism by a broken ie nobundo
3 - they also have good relation with furbolgs and night elves
4 - they have some concern about nature as well as we can see from their quests that they are trying to repair the damage they made to the environment by crashlanding the exodar
Post by
Grythak
All races will eventually have access to every class. Blizzard is clearly moving in that direction, and they are using Cataclysm to already lay the groundwork. For example, there are two worgen shaman who will play a part in Ashenvale. So do not be surprised when draenei druids and draenei warlocks eventually come around. It is not a matter of if, but when. Some may not be a fan of the idea of draenei warlocks, but as others have said in regards to draenei druids, the lore progresses; it is not stagnant. I do not particularly care either way for draenei warlocks, but I do think it is ridiculous to "play Blizzard," so to speak, by going around saying what classes a race can NEVER be when the truth of the matter is that the lore itself is quite flexible. If Blizzard came out and said, "Let there be Forsaken Druids," there would be Forsaken Druids, end of discussion.
I hope that draenei do see more love, but Blizzard decided not to expand the class list for draenei. Could they have been given druids? Most definitely yes. But Blizzard likes to keep the druid class more exclusive than their other classes, and in the interest of the druid's thematic quality of "balance," likes to maintain an Alliance-to-Horde balance of druids. And Blizzard felt that worgen druids fit better with the direction they planned to take worgen lore. So that leaves draenei rogues and warlocks. Honestly, both would have been fine for whatever lore reason Blizzard whims to be. Yet Blizzard decided that they were not comfortable with either option at this point in time. It would be nice to get further explanation from Blizzard.
Post by
Adamsm
But Blizzard likes to keep the druid class more exclusive than their other classes, and in the interest of the druid's thematic quality of "balance," likes to maintain an Alliance-to-Horde balance of druids.Heh, maybe for Druids, but not for Shamans and Paladins; current ratios for those are 2:3.
Post by
GVHB
But Blizzard likes to keep the druid class more exclusive than their other classes, and in the interest of the druid's thematic quality of "balance," likes to maintain an Alliance-to-Horde balance of druids.Heh, maybe for Druids, but not for Shamans and Paladins; current ratios for those are 2:3.
Probably is the way Blizzard have to say: "This is more a Horde/Alliance class". After all, they were the exclusive classes in Vanilla.
Post by
Grythak
But Blizzard likes to keep the druid class more exclusive than their other classes, and in the interest of the druid's thematic quality of "balance," likes to maintain an Alliance-to-Horde balance of druids.Heh, maybe for Druids, but not for Shamans and Paladins; current ratios for those are 2:3.Yes, but since Burning Crusade, Blizzard has made it a point to repeatedly emphasize that Paladin =! Shaman, and the mindset of Alliance = Paladin and Horde = Shaman should be equally abandoned. Priests, hunters, mages, and warlocks also have noted imbalances between Alliance and Horde.
Post by
Adamsm
But Blizzard likes to keep the druid class more exclusive than their other classes, and in the interest of the druid's thematic quality of "balance," likes to maintain an Alliance-to-Horde balance of druids.Heh, maybe for Druids, but not for Shamans and Paladins; current ratios for those are 2:3.Yes, but since Burning Crusade, Blizzard has made it a point to repeatedly emphasize that Paladin =! Shaman, and the mindset of Alliance = Paladin and Horde = Shaman should be equally abandoned. Priests, hunters, mages, and warlocks also have noted imbalances between Alliance and Horde.
Not really. Hunters are now usable by all 12 races, everyone but Draenei, NE's and Tauren are locks, everyone but Orcs are priests, and everyone but Taurens are mages.
The ratio is holding, for the most part.
Post by
Claggi
Not really. Hunters are now usable by all 12 races, everyone but Draenei, NE's and Tauren are locks, everyone but Orcs are priests, and everyone but Taurens are mages.
The ratio is holding, for the most part.
So they finally added Gnome Hunters? Really? I actually have no idea, but I still think Paladin would've been a better choice if so.
Post by
Adamsm
Er... yeah sorry... screwed up there, should only be 11; everyone but Gnomes are hunters.
Edit: And the Shaman ratio is 2:4... /sigh, hate when I look things over too fast.
Post by
awarewolf
I'm not exactly up on my lore as much as I'd like, but why can't a human be a shaman?
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