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Heroic Strike vs. Excute at 20%
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modahl
You Really Can compare Execute with HS this way...
HS is on next melee
Execute is Instant and triggers GCD
You should continue your rotation at 20% only using executes on free GCDs when you dont have Instant Slam.
Post by
Porcell
or does the time it takes to do an execute the same time it takes to do a heroic strike. because i know heroic strike hits harder than execute. ive looked at my meters and crits for about 2k more and avg hit is about 400 dps more than execute.
so...to simplify and make this whole post redundant...
1. does execute go off faster than an heroic strike
Your heroic strike doesn't hit for that much, because you have to subtract off the white hit, which would land regardless of your Heroic Strike. Your heroic strike does 495 damage. In addition, it converts it from a White hit to a Yellow hit. Your normal mainhand white hit has a component breakdown of something like this:
20% miss (this would be if you had 7% hit from gear/talents/buff), 24% glancing blow (roughly 30% reduced damage), 0% dodge (assuming Expertise cap), and 6% hit, and 50% crit.
Now making it a heroic strike changes this to:
0% miss, 0% glancing blows, 50% hit, 50% crit (with all damage being increased by 495 for a hit and 990 for a crit).
So if you have, just as an example, 6k normal hits and 14.4k normal crits, your average mainhand damage would be:
0 * 0.20 + (6000*0.60)*0.24 + 6000*0.06 + 14400*0.50 = 8424 damage
Changing that to heroic strikes, it would be:
(6000+495)*0.50 + (14400+990)*0.50 = 10942 damage
So the tooltip for heroic strike says damage plus 495, but factoring in the increased hits and cutting out glancing blows, it is actually about 2500 damage increase (in this example).
So anyway, now that you really know how much damage pressing heroic strike gives you, I'll answer your question. Well, I'll attempt to answer your question. From what I've heard, you should keep up your BT and Whirlwind rotation, keep queuing heroic strikes, and use Execute instead of Slam.
From looking at our warrior's logs, his BTs hit for about 6500 and crits around 14500. WWs are 5k/12k MH and 3k/7k OH. Slams are 5.5k/12k. His executes are 5k/11k.
Given that information... I wouldn't even bother using Execute, or use Execute only in the open GCD when you don't have a Slam proc (which would probably be a pretty rare concurrence of events).
Beyond that, your best bet would be to actually try it on a fight like Festergut or Saurfang. When you get to execute range, drop Slam from your rotation and start using Execute instead. Then look at the log afterward and see what kind of damage you are doing.
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Rubendesmet619
mmm, if I'm a bit lucky I don't use execute ever.
There is only once every 8 seconds in your rotation that you have a free GCD to use execute and that is after your second BT.
In that 1 GCD I have free I rather put a slam wich hits a lot harder. Not only that but with 4 t10 bonus I rarely don't have a slam waiting for that one GCD.
So I think I used about 2 executes on Saurfang25 tonight. Execute sucks and is nothing more then a filler for when you have that one Free GCD but nothing to pres.
Info taken from Elitist jerks (that's a website for theocrafting, not an elitist prick...)
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Foopeemoa
The problem is, Execute doesn't scale as well as any of the other abilities listed. Keep your regular WW/BT/SlamProc rotation, keep queueing HS as usual, and if you find yourself with still more rage, throw in Execute when you have a free GCD.
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Kurasmaniac
With icecrown gear, slam will hit harder than execute as fury, even if you spec into execute.
20% you do your normal rotation. If you dont have an instant slam on your free GCD then you use execute instead. You may want to skip an HS in between unless your 100% confident you'll be good on rage.
Pretty simple not sure where the argument for exe >slam came from other than in old forums from pre-ToC
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masti
slam has a 1.5s cast time. execute is instant and dependant upon rage. simcraft shows i should be using execute but i feel that execute is worthless as well unless its glyphed and you have excess rage to burn
Im pretty sure they are talking about the slam procs wich are instant.
And if you have rage use both HS and Execute when you have free gcd. Otherwise, just hold your HS finger and push out a execute insteed if you have nothing else to press.
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It also depends on your gear. Execute is a nice skill to use instead of insta slams if your gear is a bit on the lower side, and execute outdos slams. Im not sure where about what gear you need to prio instaslams over executes, but with "low" gear, im guessing the best rotation to use when boss is at 20%, is, ww-bt-execute. Skip slams, and skip HS to make sure you have the rage to keep your rotation going.
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Kurasmaniac
In light of some announcements made on EJ about a bug with HS, hitting an execute at the loss of a heroic strike may even be a dps loss. More or less, with HS or cleave que'd up, your offhand hits do NOT suffer from the dualwield penalty.
This also goes to support the high hit vs. softcapped arguement but thats for another thread :)
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