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Stay destro or change to affliction?
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426170
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Post by
asakawa
TPS isn't a great reason to make this change.
threat and damage are inextricably linked and the only thing that effects this are the threat reducing talents.
destro can pick up 2 points in its talent and that covers all their spells (except CoD but who cares about that). affliction gets 2 points in the affliction talent but still has a considerable amount of damage/threat being generated by a destro spell (SB) which is not reduced by the affliction talent.
destro has burst so it can have threat issues in the first 10 seconds of a fight ONLY.
affliction will generate more threat over time (due to the reason above) and this is only increased if you expect to do more damage as affliction than destro.
basically what i'm saying is that if you have issues in the first 10 seconds of the fight then wait an extra beat before starting to DPS. if you're having threat problems after the first 10 seconds then going affliction will likely increase these issues.
if you just want a change then affliction can be very effective and a fun change. i would suggest that
that
is the best reason to change.
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426170
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Post by
asakawa
it's odd but affliction probably bring the least in terms of utility. they provide ISB which can be nice but you've got a demo lock doing that for you already.
destro can bring replenishment which is nice even if your group has a couple of sources already. it also brings burst which can make things feel a bit easier (or at least feel like your contribution is greater at those moments).
depending on spec it can also pick up soul link for some nice survival in HMs and shadowfury which is really nice on saurfang.
affliction is capable of some really impressive top end damage but the proverbial hoops you have to jump through to reach those numbers (corruption rolling) just aren't fun (for me).
Post by
VeniVidiVici
Stay with the one you enjoy, since all the specs put out similar numbers. TPS shouldn't really be a factor, unless your pulling aggro on bosses in the first 5 seconds..but then you should get better tanks.
Post by
Glaedr
I agree whole heartedly with asakawa. One thing I do want to say is this: I have and always will be an affliction lock. I do it in 10/25ICC and honestly, I am starting to pull more threat (yeah, even at the beginning) than the demo locks. When you have SB down to a 1.5s cast you will pull HUGE threat from the beginning. So don't switch because of a threat issue, once you get good you'll still have that issue.
Post by
fuhrerschein
I agree whole heartedly with asakawa. One thing I do want to say is this: I have and always will be an affliction lock. I do it in 10/25ICC and honestly, I am starting to pull more threat (yeah, even at the beginning) than the demo locks. When you have SB down to a 1.5s cast you will pull HUGE threat from the beginning. So don't switch because of a threat issue, once you get good you'll still have that issue.
1.5s SB? damn dude how much haste are you at? or do afflic get some bonus that im missing... cuz im demo and have 1111 haste with spellstone and my SB is at 1.87
Post by
USMCDiablo
Heroism is the only way that's feasible.
Post by
asakawa
((Base Cast Time / Desired Cast Time) - 1) * 32.79 * 100 = Haste Rating needed at level 80
so
((2.5 / 1.5) -1) *32.79 * 100 = 2186 haste rating
that is not feasible
they were likely assuming an early eradication proc but since that requires corruption ticks to proc it it will never be up early in fights.
generally i really wouldn't worry about early threat as affliction (even with extremely good gear) since the opening casting order is complex and not particularly high-output as a contrivance to achieve high corruption numbers.
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312362
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Post by
asakawa
even at the beginning
When you deal damage with Corruption
these two things do not fit together, hence:
((Base Cast Time / Desired Cast Time) - 1) * 32.79 * 100 = Haste Rating needed at level 80
so
((2.5 / 1.5) -1) *32.79 * 100 = 2186 haste rating
that is not feasible
they were likely assuming an early eradication proc but since that requires corruption ticks to proc it it will never be up early in fights.
Post by
LookOut
I am starting to pull more threat (yeah, even at the beginning) than the demo locks.
I highly doubt that on fights like Rotface. Run in behind him, shammies pop BL, so I pop Meta + immo aura ^_^ Keep Soulshatter at the ready, you'll need it! And once more at the end of the fight when Decimation starts proccing <3
Needless to say, that's a hell of a lot fun. Same on OS10 3d zerg runs btw (yeah, I still do that ocassionally :p)
Post by
mindthegap5
Just my 2p, but it's much easier to stop youself getting agro as destro (just stop) than it is as affliction because your dots are ticking away giving you more and more threat and you're like "oh shi-". Also as asakawa said, shadow bolt's a bit of a problem too.
Also what lookout said in the post above me, but for affliction it's drain soul, damn that thing gives you a lot of threat.
So yeah your mate isn't really correct, but that doesn't mean you can't switch to affliction if you want to try it out, that's your decision.
Post by
frankc
lol tell the demo lock friend of yours....try affliction and spam sead of corruption a few times and watch the tps....affliction has the same issues if not played right or a underskilled tank...if your tank looses aggro to desruction...then he will loose it to affliction as well
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Post by
asakawa
an entirely subjective opinion is pretty pointless in a thread that concluded two weeks ago.
why post that?
btw, none of our
good
specs are only suitable for dungeons OR raids.
Post by
Shadowbites
The true and more realistic difference between destro and affl is that destro is all burst, and the minute that burst is interupted the dps drops like a boulder off a cliff. Affl is not burst, but a ever building damage spec that once interupted maintains its dps on its own for a short time.
Personally, I myself am a affliction lock and strongly recommend it if you plan on getting in high end raiding. (HMs and ect.)
Though, aside from answering your question there are a few things here and there about your armory that should and need to be edited.
Your gear seems only up to par as to raid regular ICC. Now depending on when you hit 80, whether late or not, T10 4 piece is a essential need for any raiding warlock. The bonus is a huge bonus for any spec. You seem to be going the wrong way with your set-up though. EJ promotes the end game set as the leggings, helm, shoulders and chest piece. If you (and I am assuming you did) get the leggings and hands out of VoA, that is fine. For now, as long as you get the 4 piece bonus you are good. I recomend dropping the shoulders and getting T10. And when you can pick up better gear, slowly replace the hands and move in the T10 helm.
As far as craftables go, why you are useing the healing feet and healing bracers should be the dps counter parts. Foot pads of Woven Death and Brilliant Wizard Bracers. (I think I got the names right, excuse me if I did not.) The spirit on those items do not justify the right to be wearing them. The other bracers and feet provide stats ten times better.
As for gemming, although your haste is not the best, you should still not be gemming straight haste and you are going for the wrong socket bonus'. Gemming straight hasteis to much of a dps loss for us, always go for SP/Haste. Any socket below a bonus of 7 or more SP is not worth socketing for, and should be covered with just straight SP.
As far as chants go, you are solid! :D Only thing I recomend changing up is the chant on the feet, make it Tuskars Vitality. Trust me, its a bigger dps increase than its stats appear to be.
To be honest, in my opinion you seem pretty solid, just with a few unlocky drops in VoA and ICC that you had to take/lose. :[
Thats my 2cents anyways. Haha.
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