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evonath, 2h Frost might be better than DW Frost in Cata because of Might of the Frozen Wastes.
Might of the Frozen wastes is a sidegrade of Nerves of Cold Steel and ToT. its either or but Bliz has stated they want Frost to be a DW tree primarily and a 2h tree for those who dislike pets.
As far as the build listed in the OP. I'm not a fan it seems like a lot of filler points to get down that far in the Unholy tree with On a Pale Horse and such its probably a DPS loss to get the constant pet vs dps increasing talents in the Frost tree. Also you skipped Runic Empowerment which is looking to be a phenomenal talent and almost required for all DK builds in Cata. But on a whole there seem to be a lot of points for the talents we're given.
If I was looking DW Frost this looks to be a good build IMO:
http://wiki.raevyn.net/files/talent/deathknight.html?tal=00000000000000000000000000032505350350213212300233013501205003003000000000000000000000
Though Brittle Bones may be unneeded I believe Paladins have a similar buff and if so those 2 points would move to necrosis.
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I'm not on the alpha, but given what they want to do, I absolutely believe you'll be able to put that RP to good use. 2 RP per sec is an extra Frost Strike every 16 seconds, or every 11 GCDs or so. That's all it is. With what they say they want to do, it'd be a bit hypocritical not to have an open GCD that often. I'd much rather use that to hit something in the face. We'll see how it plays out, it could always be nerfed, but I'm with Kap, 2H Frost seems very intriguing with the addition of that one little talent.
The only crap thing is that it does waste some points. You could always go the other way and spec sub Unholy, but then you'd miss out on 2H weapon spec. Be very interesting to see which build ends up better and how it does stack against DW. They have also said they like Frost as a DW tree, so we'll see how they end up balancing it all.
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Something like this
. I'm wondering if we'll only need 4 in Epidemic. Since runes refresh every 10 seconds, it might serve us to keep our diseases as close to a multiple of 10 as possible -- like, say, 40 seconds. We have an extra GCD window. Not sure if it will be enough; you could always take a point from Black Ice or Killing Machine like we do now to fill it out if need be.
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Something like this
. I'm wondering if we'll only need 4 in Epidemic. Since runes refresh every 10 seconds, it might serve us to keep our diseases as close to a multiple of 10 as possible -- like, say, 40 seconds. We have an extra GCD window. Not sure if it will be enough; you could always take a point from Black Ice or Killing Machine like we do now to fill it out if need be.
Your going to want 5/5 Epidemic due to the cooldown on Outbreak with the glyph its looking like Outbreak will be the defacto way to reapply diseases single target.
Now what I feel the 2h vs DW battle will come down too is how powerful the 4% hit rating on NoCS ends up being. If we can make significant dps gains by only needing 4% hit rating vs 8% then the extra RP ends up being the equalizer rather then making 2h outperform DW..
(Looks like i need to adjust my suggested blood rotation i forgot about the cooldown on Outbreak in that other thread.)
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It's not going to be 4% hit rating. There's a disclaimer that the values are +/- 1% in the calculator, and several similar talents operate the same way. It will be the same talent it is now.
You're right about Outbreak but lord, I hope they change that. I'm sure some people will like it, but I think it's too simple. At least Pestilence requires the diseases to be present. With Outbreak, it's not even a big deal if you accidentally let diseases fall off. In fact, you might NOT take 5/5 Epidemic, opting instead to put the point somewhere else and just autoattack for three seconds until Outbreak comes up again.
I'd love to see them extend the cooldown to, say, 3 minutes, and have the glyph shave off a minute or so, to make it more of an "oh @#$%" button.
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