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Post by
Patty
Also, everyone blames Thrall for the creation of the forsaken blight, but the blight was actully created in northrend by the forsaken there, and since Garrosh was in charge of the horde forces in northrend, it was him that failed to take notice of the fact.
....Really?
"You did say you wished to be informed when the experiments were successful,"...winding corridor into the bowels of
the Undercity
.Italic'd the location, it's not Northrend.
Post by
taurenmoo812
"You did say you wished to be informed when the experiments were successful,"...winding corridor into the bowels of the Undercity.
Italic'd the location, it's not Northrend.
Oh I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where I did quests that had the forsaken apothcarys creating the blight in northrend. I guess that never happened huh?
People so quick to blame Thrall for not investigating the forsaken in there city, but Garrosh is apparently forgiven for not seeing the same thing in northrend? That makes sense.
Post by
Adamsm
He failed to control the warsong as they attacked the broken front. Wasn't that done by his 'second' for lack of a better term in Icecrown, for the retaliation of the calling of war at the Undercity by Wrynn?
Also, everyone blames Thrall for the creation of the forsaken blight, but the blight was actully created in northrend by the forsaken there, and since Garrosh was in charge of the horde forces in northrend, it was him that failed to take notice of the fact.Sylvanas and was first seen on Azeroth, a few months before Wrath started... I mean come on Tauren, haven't you said you've read Rise of the Lich King? It clearly states that right in the book, for the prologue before Part 3 starts up.
He failed to look at the greater threat of yogg saron, and didn't do anything in icecrown except call alliance pigs, and stand in the front door of the citadel well other heroes went into it.Well, if your throwing stones.... Thrall, Jaina, Varian, and Magni(who was in Storm Peaks at one point), doesn't do anything either in Icecrown; Varian is at the gates till the Airship Battle Alliance when he holds back Muradin and his forces from attacking Saurfang and allows a grieving father to leave the battle field with his son's body(kinda of a reverse for Varian, who never actually got to bury his own father's body).
Some cold hard facts for you. He fails as a leader, has done ever since nagrand.If he fails as hard as you say; why does Vol'jin tell us in Cata that Thrall left the reins of the Horde in his hands?
Post by
Monday
"You did say you wished to be informed when the experiments were successful,"...winding corridor into the bowels of the Undercity.
Italic'd the location, it's not Northrend.
Oh I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where I did quests that had the forsaken apothcarys creating the blight in northrend. I guess that never happened huh?
People so quick to blame Thrall for not investigating the forsaken in there city, but Garrosh is apparently forgiven for not seeing the same thing in northrend? That makes sense.
Oh I'm sorry, you must have missed the quests in Arathi Highlands and Tirisfal Glades. I guess that never happened, huh?
Post by
taurenmoo812
He failed to control the warsong as they attacked the broken front. Wasn't that done by his 'second' for lack of a better term in Icecrown, for the retaliation of the calling of war at the Undercity by Wrynn?
Also, everyone blames Thrall for the creation of the forsaken blight, but the blight was actully created in northrend by the forsaken there, and since Garrosh was in charge of the horde forces in northrend, it was him that failed to take notice of the fact.Sylvanas and was first seen on Azeroth, a few months before Wrath started... I mean come on Tauren, haven't you said you've read Rise of the Lich King? It clearly states that right in the book, for the prologue before Part 3 starts up.
He failed to look at the greater threat of yogg saron, and didn't do anything in icecrown except call alliance pigs, and stand in the front door of the citadel well other heroes went into it.Well, if your throwing stones.... Thrall, Jaina, Varian, and Magni(who was in Storm Peaks at one point), doesn't do anything either in Icecrown; Varian is at the gates till the Airship Battle Alliance when he holds back Muradin and his forces from attacking Saurfang and allows a grieving father to leave the battle field with his son's body(kinda of a reverse for Varian, who never actually got to bury his own father's body).
Some cold hard facts for you. He fails as a leader, has done ever since nagrand.If he fails as hard as you say; why does Vol'jin tell us in Cata that Thrall left the reins of the Horde in his hands?
I notice how you are often so quick to use the excuse 'we're have to wait and see what happens' when it suits you, but not when you got nothing else to use. Do you actully have any more evidense as to what that conversation meant, or you just pulling as straws?
And again, So quick to accuse Thrall of negligence for not investigating undercity, but Garrosh being in charge of the horde in northrend, and he gets excused for not seeing what they were schemeing first? The blight was developed there in northrend, the RAS were present conducting and testing the blight across northrend, but Garrosh didn't notice it?
The varian excuse is something for another thread, but he, muradin, jaina, sylvanas (in one section of icecrown, hor) and saurfang were actully inside the citadel, well Garrosh was stood at the front door as a buff mechanic. I can bet completely you'd be saying the exact same thing about Thrall if he was stood there, but your overlook it cause its Garrosh.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Oh I'm sorry, you must have missed the quests in Arathi Highlands and Tirisfal Glades. I guess that never happened, huh?
Of course it bloody happened there ¬.¬, you missing the point, and I never said it wasn't made also in undercity. But the blight used in northrend WAS created in northrend, which as far as it went was meant to be Garrosh's lead, and he didn't notice it.
Post by
Adamsm
I notice how you are often so quick to use the excuse 'we're have to wait and see what happens' when it suits you, but not when you got nothing else to use. Do you actully have any more evidense as to what that conversation meant, or you just pulling as straws?Do you have an solid proof that it isn't true? Your grasping at just as many straws Tauren. My wait and see comments are for things we don't have any evidence about, but I guess, because it paints Garrosh in a different light from what you think of him, of course it's just an off-hand comment by a troll who only really speaks when he has something important to say.
And again, So quick to accuse Thrall of negligence for not investigating undercity, but Garrosh being in charge of the horde in northrend, and he gets excused for not seeing what they were schemeing first? The blight was developed there in northrend, the RAS were present conducting and testing the blight across northrend, but Garrosh didn't notice it?Seeing as the start of the Blight was on Azeroth... sorta. Of course Garrosh has a hand in the blame as well; but you said, and I quote:but the blight was actully created in northrend by the forsaken there, and since Garrosh was in charge of the horde forces in northrend, it was him that failed to take notice of the fact.Which is a lie, as it started in Undercity under Sylvanas command; the Blight was finished in Northrend, and the final product used in the coup. Had there been some Orc presence in Undercity, it might not have happened, and so many didn't have to die needlessly.
The varian excuse is something for another thread, but he, muradin, jaina, sylvanas (in one section of icecrown, hor) and saurfang were actully inside the citadel, well Garrosh was stood at the front door as a buff mechanic. I can bet completely you'd be saying the exact same thing about Thrall if he was stood there, but your overlook it cause its Garrosh.Well, if that was all Thrall did... you'd have to too, but actually, no I wouldn't as there is no point in complaining about mechanics of a raid. Your the one who feels, because he doesn't move from the starting area, that automatically means he's 'not doing' anything. Garrosh has no real connection to Arthas, hell, Thrall has more of a connection, so it's not surprising to not see Garrosh in the thick of things. And sorry, but I haven't been farther into ICC then the Plaguewing and only Ally side. Your right, yes Jaina is in HoR, just like Sylvanas so yeah she does do more then just sit at the Tournament grounds. As for Varian... what excuse are you talking about; you mean he doesn't tell the Alliance people to stand down to let a father take the body of a son away?
Post by
Patty
Oh I'm sorry, you must have missed the quests in Arathi Highlands and Tirisfal Glades. I guess that never happened, huh?
Of course it bloody happened there ¬.¬, you missing the point, and I never said it wasn't made also in undercity. But the blight used in northrend WAS created in northrend, which as far as it went was meant to be Garrosh's lead, and he didn't notice it.
Yet you're saying that Thrall is free of blame, whereas Garrosh is not? That's condradictary, don't you think?
Post by
Monday
Oh I'm sorry, you must have missed the quests in Arathi Highlands and Tirisfal Glades. I guess that never happened, huh?
Of course it bloody happened there ¬.¬, you missing the point, and I never said it wasn't made also in undercity. But the blight used in northrend WAS created in northrend, which as far as it went was meant to be Garrosh's lead, and he didn't notice it.
It was perfected in Northrend. The base ingredients/methods were made in Azeroth and then perfected in Northrend.
Yet you're saying that Thrall is free of blame, whereas Garrosh is not? That's condradictary, don't you think?
This too.
Post by
taurenmoo812
I'm sorry, but I've had to read so much crap about how you gladly blame Thrall for not watching what the forsaken were doing, but now I've got just the right counterpoint to mirror it, your trying to bend it?
If its Thralls fault for not watching the forsaken in undercity then its also Garroshs fault for not watching them in northrend, and if its NOT garrosh's fault, then its not Thralls fault either.
two edge sword.
Post by
Patty
I'm sorry, but I've had to read so much crap about how you gladly blame Thrall for not watching what the forsaken were doing, but now I've got just the right counterpoint to mirror it, your trying to bend it?
If its Thralls fault for not watching the forsaken in undercity then its also Garroshs fault for not watching them in northrend, and if its NOT garrosh's fault, then its not Thralls fault either.
two edge sword.That would be a good point
if
Thrall and Garrosh were of equal rank. I agree both should have watched the forsaken most vigilantly, but to put equal blame on Garrosh as well as Thrall, or more blame on Garrosh than Thrall, is quite frankly; idiotic.
Post by
Monday
I'm sorry, but I've had to read so much crap about how you gladly blame Thrall for not watching what the forsaken were doing, but now I've got just the right counterpoint to mirror it, your trying to bend it?
If its Thralls fault for not watching the forsaken in undercity then its also Garroshs fault for not watching them in northrend, and if its NOT garrosh's fault, then its not Thralls fault either.
two edge sword.
We (well at least I) never said it wasn't Garrosh's fault. We (I) said that you need to blame both, however it was developed mostly under Thrall, so he gets a bit more of the blame, considering it was made and perfected under him for about 5 years before it hit Northrend and went under Garrosh.
Post by
GVHB
I'm sorry, but I've had to read so much crap about how you gladly blame Thrall for not watching what the forsaken were doing, but now I've got just the right counterpoint to mirror it, your trying to bend it?
If its Thralls fault for not watching the forsaken in undercity then its also Garroshs fault for not watching them in northrend, and if its NOT garrosh's fault, then its not Thralls fault either.
two edge sword.
It the fault of both of them.
Post by
Adamsm
I'm sorry, but I've had to read so much crap about how you gladly blame Thrall for not watching what the forsaken were doing, but now I've got just the right counterpoint to mirror it, your trying to bend it?
If its Thralls fault for not watching the forsaken in undercity then its also Garroshs fault for not watching them in northrend, and if its NOT garrosh's fault, then its not Thralls fault either.
two edge sword.
No worse then your own desire to paint the Alliance or anything you personally disagree with in the worst light possible at every chance you get. By the way, the bolded? Made me lol, truly did.
Post by
taurenmoo812
As for Varian... what excuse are you talking about; you mean he doesn't tell the Alliance people to stand down to let a father take the body of a son away?
I actully said varian was there, at deathbringers rise, well Garrosh just stood at the door and did nothing. Try reading it right.
Do you have an solid proof that it isn't true? Your grasping at just as many straws Tauren. My wait and see comments are for things we don't have any evidence about, but I guess, because it paints Garrosh in a different light from what you think of him, of course it's just an off-hand comment by a troll who only really speaks when he has something important to say.
And so your basicly admitting you don't have anything else to add to what garrosh meant, or if its even truth or just bluster after Thralls disappearance? You don't have any more evidense then me, and yet your trying to weave it into something more then you have evidense for.
And fine, the first blight was being created in undercity, but the blight in northrend, through quests given by the RAS there, that blight was created there in northrend.
Post by
taurenmoo812
No worse then your own desire to paint the Alliance or anything you personally disagree with in the worst light possible at every chance you get.
And your so quick to rewrite it to suit yourself, so I guess we're not so different after all.
Post by
Adamsm
Do you have an solid proof that it isn't true? Your grasping at just as many straws Tauren. My wait and see comments are for things we don't have any evidence about, but I guess, because it paints Garrosh in a different light from what you think of him, of course it's just an off-hand comment by a troll who only really speaks when he has something important to say.
And so your basicly admitting you don't have anything else to add to what garrosh meant, or if its even truth or just bluster after Thralls disappearance? You don't have any more evidense then me, and yet your trying to weave it into something more then you have evidense for.
And fine, the first blight was being created in undercity, but the blight in northrend, through quests given by the RAS there, that blight was created there in northrend.
If it was just 'bluster' then Vol'jin would have put him down right there; that's just the way the Troll leader is. And no offense Tauren... but that's pretty much every argument you attempt; if something is going to make Garrosh look 'good' you try to belittle it and say it means nothing. If it's something about Thrall, you sing the praises and act like it's always perfect and right, and anyone who disagrees with you is 'an idiot' 'a fanboy' or 'worthless'.
Also, nice double speak... how can something be created twice lol?
No worse then your own desire to paint the Alliance or anything you personally disagree with in the worst light possible at every chance you get.
And your so quick to rewrite it to suit yourself, so I guess we're not so different after all.
I don't rewrite anything Tauren; I just go with the lore. But I don't attack other posters for disagreeing with me.
Post by
taurenmoo812
If it was just 'bluster' then Vol'jin would have put him down right there; that's just the way the Troll leader is. And no offense Tauren... but that's pretty much every argument you attempt; if something is going to make Garrosh look 'good' you try to belittle it and say it means nothing. If it's something about Thrall, you sing the praises and act like it's always perfect and right, and anyone who disagrees with you is 'an idiot' 'a fanboy' or 'worthless'.
Just like you've been doing lately with Varian. And I don't need to resort to namecalling to get my point across. Do you?
show me then an example of things that make Garrosh look 'good'. Go on.
I don't rewrite anything Tauren; I just go with the lore. But I don't attack other posters for disagreeing with me. Actully you disagree with me most of the time so thats a flat point.
Post by
Patty
And, now for another derailed/locked post. I can see Argent's thread being re-stickied if it carries on.
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