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Trinket+Divine Hymn Macro
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Post by
donnymurph
So... I've had
Talisman of Resurgence
equipped for ages, simply for the lack of availability of anything better (doing ToC25 every week just for 1 item then watching every Pally, Druid and Shammy roll on it, regardless of spec, isn't my cup of tea. And I'm not enough of a prick to just walk after Jaraxxus...)
The 128 intel is nice for regen, and about 1% crit. But I never find myself using the SP button. I've keybound it and all that, but I never have the presence of mind to think "Oh, you know what, I could really use 600 SP for the next 20 seconds". (Fail, I know).
Soooo... In an effort to use it more, I was thinking of macroing it in to my Divine Hymn (and probably Desperate Prayer as well) - usually a good time to have 600 extra SP.
Using the standard old macro:
/cast Inner Focus
/cast Divine Hymn
/ra >I'm casting Divine Hymn so clean your underpants<
How do I macro it in? Is it simply
/use Talisman of Resurgence?
Or is it something to do with item slot number?
>>>>Macro noob
Post by
IceQ
#showtooltip Divine Hymn
/cast Inner Focus
/use Talisman of Resurgence (or "/use trinket 1/2" iirc)
/cast Divine Hymn
/ra >I'm casting Divine Hymn so clean your underpants<
You can macro it like that.
In Healbot there is an option to "use" trinkets on certain spell casts.
In VuhDo there is an option to "use" trinkets on CD. I use VuhDo and my Talisman is permanently on CD so every 2 mins I have 600 more sp. In raids I have found the people lounging around b4 a boss so it rarely happens that my Talisman isn't ready for the fight. Depending on the duration of the fight it triggers 2-3 times so... This is on my Shaman, not sure if it is a bad idea on Priest because my priest doesn't have one yet.
Post by
Paolo
I think that will work. But I always use the slot number (13 & 14 for trinkets).
See here
for a map.
Oh I remember: the reason I don't use the item name is that if you don't have it equipped, hitting the macro will equip the item. (Assuming you're out of combat, of course.) Nothing like suddenly finding yourself in a fight with your
PvP trinket
equipped because you named it in a /use macro!
So yeah, the full macro is just a chain of /cast commands. ("cast" and "use" are synonyms, btw; I just prefer to use them to make semantic sense.) All of the entries except the last one don't cause a GCD:
/cast Inner Focus
/use 13
/cast Berserking
/cast Divine Hymn
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Post by
donnymurph
Hmm.. some good food for thought. Looking back at some old WoL parses, my 4 most often cast healing spells (on boss fights, don't care about loltrash) are PoM, Renew, CoH and FH (no surprises there). I suppose macroing it to any one of these spells will guarantee it is never off CD for more than one healing cycle (6-7 GCDs), which, in terms of pure math, will give the close to the maximum benefit from it.
The one problem I see with that is that, chances are, if I'm casting Divine Hymn, I really NEED the SP. Some fights, just Divine Hymn by itself doesn't necessarily do the job . And having it used like that means there is a 5/6 chance that it WON'T be there for my Divine Hymn. I suppose I just need to get in the habit of using it actively... On the other hand, if it is being used every CD, I'd be putting out more, and my Divine Hymn wouldn't necessarily be as crucial as it currently is to my healing style - but I don't like to boil healing down to pure math like that, there is an element of art to our job.
Post by
pelf
Paolo's assessment and macro is correct and optimal. There is usually no reason to specify the name of a trinket; it is almost always better to specify the trinket by slot. In fact, there's no harm in simply macroing...
/use 13
/use 14
...into these kinds of things as if you have a trinket with no use effect, the line will do nothing, but if you do have trinket(s) with a use effect, it will use one of them -- whichever is off cooldown.
Panik8's assertion that /use and /cast are different is incorrect. They are exactly equivalent. You can
/use Flash Heal
and
/cast Insignia of the Alliance
. Both call the same handler in internal code. Often obsessive (but no less awesome) macroers will sometimes use
/use
simply out of brevity since it's one character shorter. I personally agree with Paolo and will
/use
items and
/cast
spells unless one character is the difference between a macro being short enough and it not.
Panik8 is, however, correct about the
#showtooltip
line being required to keep the icon consistent and appropriately (as far as my opinion goes) also adds the Power Infusion cast into the macro.
So, in my ever-so-humble opinion, from a UI&M forum regular to you priests, the final, optimal form of this macro is:
#showtooltip Divine Hymn
/cast Power Infusion
/cast Inner Focus
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Divine Hymn
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Post by
Paolo
if I were using "/use 14" then, I'd need a different Desperate Prayer macro for PvE purposes, to prevent wasting a trinket use when I don't need to...When I was doing PvP, I found many reasons to create separate macros for things like this. Playing PvP disc is like a whole other class. I mean, how useful is a button that casts Pain Suppression on yourself in PvE? How useful in PvP? I had mostly the same keybindings between the two setups, but some essential abilities change their priority levels when you change contexts.
Post by
pelf
Attempting to execute the use effect of an item without it being equipped will attempt to equip it first, regardless of how you do it (
/use
or
/cast
). If that's not a fact, then I'm going to have to cross-post-link this thread in the UI&M forums because pretty much everyone over there thinks that they're equivalent.
Yes, I didn't think to specify, but everything I said was directed at PvE play. If you
need
control over which trinket you use and/or which order they are used, then you obviously either need to pick a slot where the "spell power buffing" trinket goes and make sure it's the same for both sets, remove the second
/use
line, and go with it or specify your trinkets by name and change your macros when you change your trinkets.
While we're at it, now that it's clear I'm talking about PvE, in order to reduce error messages and noises, the better form of the macro I posted is:
#showtooltip Divine Hymn
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast Power Infusion
/cast Inner Focus
/use 13
/use 14
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/run UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
/cast Divine Hymn
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Post by
pelf
I understand where you're coming from. Odds are, however, if someone is literally min/maxing their trinkets based on encounters or spec or desired healing style, they will probably understand exactly what you're saying and will be on top of this kind of modification of a macro for DH.
I suppose my goal was to provide the best, most multi-purpose, generic macro for popping cooldowns to buff Divine Hymn. Hopefully you don't think I was far off of
that
goal :).
Let me know what you find about the use vs. cast question.
As for the macro thing ... the API can pass the text of a macro to the macro parser to execute it, so it's do-able. I don't know what those addons that use that API are called, though. I'm dangerously close to filling my common bucket, so I'll probably be looking into this soon enough.
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Post by
pelf
I wait with bated breath :).
Post by
donnymurph
Ok so here's my macro to keep the trinket (and any other future trinkets I get) always on CD:
#showtooltip Circle of Healing
/console Sound_EnableSFX 0
/cast Arcane Torrent
/use 13
/use 14
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/run UIErrorsFrame:Clear()
/cast Circle of Healing
So, casts CoH, uses my racial and trinket every time they are off CD, and doesn't display the error message if they aren't. Did I do this right?
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Post by
pelf
Awesome, Panik. Thanks for checking that out.
I'd hate to come barging over into the Priest forums from UI&M, state something as fact that I should, ostensibly, having come from the UI&M forums, know, and then be completely wrong about it. How embarrassing would that be?
:)
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