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Adamsm
Gnomes; they act like the 'big brother' for the other racesParadox!
Another pro for the draenei; they are not corrupted by arcane magic's influence, like elves were.
Heh, might be a paradox, but it's true, seen a lot in the Alliance player's guide. For the Draenei... sorta yes sorta no lol; after all, 2/3rds of the race were transformed into one of the most dangerous forces of the Legion after all, but those since do seem to stay away from the more dangerous aspect of the arcane corruption heh.
Post by
Patty
Gnomes; they act like the 'big brother' for the other racesParadox!
Another pro for the draenei; they are not corrupted by arcane magic's influence, like elves were.
Heh, might be a paradox, but it's true, seen a lot in the Alliance player's guide. For the Draenei... sorta yes sorta no lol; after all, 2/3rds of the race were transformed into one of the most dangerous forces of the Legion after all, but those since do seem to stay away from the more dangerous aspect of the arcane corruption heh.
But they're the Eredar, not the draenei. They're basically different races. ^_^
Post by
Adamsm
Gnomes; they act like the 'big brother' for the other racesParadox!
Another pro for the draenei; they are not corrupted by arcane magic's influence, like elves were.
Heh, might be a paradox, but it's true, seen a lot in the Alliance player's guide. For the Draenei... sorta yes sorta no lol; after all, 2/3rds of the race were transformed into one of the most dangerous forces of the Legion after all, but those since do seem to stay away from the more dangerous aspect of the arcane corruption heh.
But they're the Eredar, not the draenei. They're basically different races. ^_^
They are now heh, but they, like the Night Elves, have seen what the Arcane Corruption will do to a race lol.
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Post by
FarseerLolotea
Heh, might be a paradox, but it's true, seen a lot in the Alliance player's guide. For the Draenei... sorta yes sorta no lol; after all, 2/3rds of the race were transformed into one of the most dangerous forces of the Legion after all, but those since do seem to stay away from the more dangerous aspect of the arcane corruption heh.That wasn't just arcane. It was futzing around with whatever it was that Sargeras gave them to play with.
Post by
Adamsm
Heh, might be a paradox, but it's true, seen a lot in the Alliance player's guide. For the Draenei... sorta yes sorta no lol; after all, 2/3rds of the race were transformed into one of the most dangerous forces of the Legion after all, but those since do seem to stay away from the more dangerous aspect of the arcane corruption heh.That wasn't just arcane. It was futzing around with whatever it was that Sargeras gave them to play with.
Well, it was the fact that they were such accomplished magi that drew the Legion's eye to Argus(similar to how messing with the Well drew the eyes to Azeroth). Then of course, Sargeras played off their vanity and power lust to get them on board.... again, like the NE's.... heh, still the Draenei know what happens when arcane is over used; two examples now lol, their history and the Night Elves.
Post by
Monday
Thanks for the suggestions so far. I haven't added the part about the gnomes yet, but Sigmafel I copied your views on Lor'themar in there, thanks ^_^
And of course the formatting decides to screw me over >.>
Post by
taurenmoo812
And hey Thrall-lover, I made a comment about Garrosh and his cronies keeping the war going, but then again, because I showed a flaw of the leader you love so much, and are threatening to quit the game over, I guess a free shot against me is allowed eh? Seriously Tauren, either grow a thicker skin and realize that Thrall has flaws, or get the hell off the board so we don't have to listen to your same crap over and over again.
Like I said in another thread, I'm tired of you attacking and acting like your high mighty over those of us who like the Alliance
.
And I get tired of the same crap you have of pretending to be neutral, when you were just tipping the arguments always in your own factions favour. At least have the nerve to admit your as much an alliance fanboy as I am a horde one and stop pretending your some well to do observer.
You know I've admitted time and again I know Thrall has flaws, and its what makes him a more grounded character in lore then some of the characters with there heads in the clouds.
But when I have some alliance fanboys who keep drawing ONLY on the flaws that happened, the mistakes made, and even going as far to say they outweigh the good points, then I'm not gonna sit back and say nothing. You are, after all, quick to defend your own faction from any criticism I give it.
Seriously, I think the reason this &*!@es you off some much is cause of having someone with the same high and mighty attitude you have yourself, but on an opposing side.
Post by
Adamsm
And I get tired of the same crap you have of pretending to be neutral, when you were just tipping the arguments always in your own factions favour. At least have the nerve to admit your as much an alliance fanboy as I am a horde one and stop pretending your some well to do observer. Heh, again with the attack there... I've never said I was neutral to one side or the other, I've admitted time and again that my mains are Alliance, and I've only recently started in on Horde loremaster; you and Rank said that I was the 'neutral' person, and I do see myself as that; I know that both sides have massive flaws, but I don't believe in covering them up just because what it proves disagrees with what I believe.
Yes, Varian is a hot headed warmonger who has an immense hatred of orcs and forsaken, and let's those thoughts colour everything he does. The gnomes have made mistakes in the past, and will probably make more in the future to come. The Ironforge dwarves, even though they've seen that the Wildhammers are changed, still treat their Wild Clan cousins with distance and not quite trust after the War of Three Hammers. The Night Elves are still the most xenophobic species on the planet. The Worgen will follow in the paths of both the Humans and the Night Elves more then likely, so there's double your fun. The only race that doesn't have massive flaws is the Draenei, unless you just count the past.
But when I have some alliance fanboys who keep drawing ONLY on the flaws that happened, the mistakes made, and even going as far to say they outweigh the good points, then I'm not gonna sit back and say nothing.Of course, that works for you too; you do the exact same things, and attack your fellow Horde fans here... hell, you've done it multiple times in this very thread, when someone like Patty, who posts something more or less agreeing with you, but you attack him anyways because he doesn't believe like you do.
You are, after all, quick to defend your own faction from any criticism I give it.Because your 'criticism' is more or less the standard 'dur hurr humans are bad, they did this they did that, but we orcs did nothing to deserve it nope nope'. It would be different if you actually put some meaning into your criticism but you don't... of course,
the instant you posted this piece of crap,
you've proved your nothing but a troll.
But hey, whatever, as I've said, I'm not continuing this anymore here in the thread, as it just drags it further off topic. You don't like my posts and what I put, don't comment on them, and just ignore them, and I'll do the same with yours.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Of course, that works for you too; you do the exact same things, and attack your fellow Horde fans here... hell, you've done it multiple times in this very thread, when someone like Patty, who posts something more or less agreeing with you, but you attack him anyways because he doesn't believe like you do.
And you've done the exact same thing to someone like Darkton when you claimed he was going overboard on his Varian posts, so attacked a fellow alliance fan.
Heh, again with the attack there... I've never said I was neutral to one side or the other,
I've admitted time and again that my mains are Alliance
, and I've only recently started in on Horde loremaster;
you and Rank said that I was the 'neutral' person, and I do see myself as that
; I know that both sides have massive flaws, but I don't believe in covering them up just because what it proves disagrees with what I believe.
And thats a two sided coin. You said your not one thing, but admit you are it in the next breath.
Because your 'criticism' is more or less the standard 'dur hurr humans are bad, they did this they did that, but we orcs did nothing to deserve it nope nope'. It would be different if you actually put some meaning into your criticism but you don't...
Or you've just never bothered to read beyond what you see at face value.
And seriously. Your still going on about that linked equinox comic script I put up for a poke at alliance. I dare say you'd be the kind of person to write an angry letter to the guy who made the comic too cause you don't like the content, geez...
You know Adams your a strong debater I'll give you that. But given how it frustrates you just as much as it does me when either of us throws criticism at the others favourite characters or faction, your really in no place to tell me I'm the only one making an ass of myself.
Post by
Monday
And seriously. Your still going on about that linked equinox comic script I put up for a poke at alliance. I dare say you'd be the kind of person to write an angry letter to the guy who made the comic too cause you don't like the content, geez...
So if I posted a comic ridiculing the Horde "just to poke at them", you wouldn't say anything?
Post by
Adamsm
Of course, that works for you too; you do the exact same things, and attack your fellow Horde fans here... hell, you've done it multiple times in this very thread, when someone like Patty, who posts something more or less agreeing with you, but you attack him anyways because he doesn't believe like you do.
And you've done the exact same thing to someone like Darkton when you claimed he was going overboard on his Varian posts, so attacked a fellow alliance fan.He was going over board; as he was flaming people instead of discussing things, and just making up random things to try to keep him ahead of people.
Heh, again with the attack there... I've never said I was neutral to one side or the other,
I've admitted time and again that my mains are Alliance
, and I've only recently started in on Horde loremaster;
you and Rank said that I was the 'neutral' person, and I do see myself as that
; I know that both sides have massive flaws, but I don't believe in covering them up just because what it proves disagrees with what I believe.
And thats a two sided coin. You said your not one thing, but admit you are it in the next breath.At least I can admit things when I'm wrong, and fine, I guess I'm not neutral... or at least, as long as I don't show parts where the Horde did something dumb and admit that to people hey whatever.
Because your 'criticism' is more or less the standard 'dur hurr humans are bad, they did this they did that, but we orcs did nothing to deserve it nope nope'. It would be different if you actually put some meaning into your criticism but you don't...
Or you've just never bothered to read beyond what you see at face value. Because honestly... there's nothing there; your not that deep Tauren.
And seriously. Your still going on about that linked equinox comic script I put up for a poke at alliance. I dare say you'd be the kind of person to write an angry letter to the guy who made the comic too cause you don't like the content, geez...I go on about that because you were trolling, and decided to be 'smart' and show that your 'good and great' over the rest of us.
You know Adams your a strong debater I'll give you that. But given how it frustrates you just as much as it does me when either of us throws criticism at the others favourite characters or faction, your really in no place to tell me I'm the only one making an ass of myself.Well, seeing as I'm not the one threatening to quit the game because I don't like some of the new lore...... or feel the need to drag the same topic through several dozen threads, yelling loud at the top of my lungs "This is right, everyone else is wrong!", then sure, your not making an ass of yourself at all.
And what frustrates me is that you freak out over every little thing, and decide that anyone who disagrees with you is either A: A ravenous fan boy, or B: An idiot, and therefore you don't need to listen to things and can proclaim your information as right, and everyone else is wrong.
Think about why you started this little rant against me Tauren: You decided, because I said that the 'goodness' meter of Thrall took a bit of a nose dive when a member of his Faction, and not just a member, but one of his commanders, set up and created a deadly disease designed to kill the living and the dead, and had it coup'ed from her, and used on both Alliance and Horde forces, resulting again, in the death of one of the most out spoken voices for peace on Alliance side and the death of the son of the greatest Warrior in the Horde. As Thrall does have final word over everything that happens in the Horde, it never should have happened, and because Blizzard wrote it like this, it did and cast a bit of a shadow over Thrall. But because that belief goes against your absolute Thrall love, obviously, everything I put there, never mind that it did happen in Lore, was wrong and not right, and therefore, you have the right to attack and say I'm wrong.
So yeah, until such a time as Varian or one of the other Alliance leaders allows something like the Wrathgate to happen... then feel free to go 'na na na' at us and tell us you were right, we were wrong, but until then, like I said, grow a thicker skin or stop coming here, we don't need your posts.
Post by
taurenmoo812
And seriously. Your still going on about that linked equinox comic script I put up for a poke at alliance. I dare say you'd be the kind of person to write an angry letter to the guy who made the comic too cause you don't like the content, geez...
So if I posted a comic ridiculing the Horde "just to poke at them", you wouldn't say anything?
So you admit it did bother you then.
And yes, of course I would. But I wouldn't QQ about it, I'd just find a counterpoint and post something ridiculing the alliance right back in spirit of rivalry.
Post by
Monday
And seriously. Your still going on about that linked equinox comic script I put up for a poke at alliance. I dare say you'd be the kind of person to write an angry letter to the guy who made the comic too cause you don't like the content, geez...
So if I posted a comic ridiculing the Horde "just to poke at them", you wouldn't say anything?
So you admit it did bother you then.
And yes, of course I would. But I wouldn't QQ about it, I'd just find a counterpoint and post something ridiculing the alliance right back in spirit of rivalry.
But you started first... >.>
How about we just stay away from immature stuff like that?
Post by
taurenmoo812
So yeah, until such a time as Varian or one of the other Alliance leaders allows something like the Wrathgate to happen... then feel free to go 'na na na' at us and tell us you were right, we were wrong, but until then, like I said, grow a thicker skin or stop coming here, we don't need your posts.
you don't need my posts? omg, your not selling yourself short at all are you? You tell me to grow a spine, well I'll tell you to grow some conscientious and realise this isn't your forum.
Because honestly... there's nothing there; your not that deep Tauren.
And neither are you.
Think about why you started this little rant against me Tauren: You decided, because I said that the 'goodness' meter of Thrall took a bit of a nose dive when a member of his Faction, and not just a member, but one of his commanders, set up and created a deadly disease designed to kill the living and the dead, and had it coup'ed from her, and used on both Alliance and Horde forces, resulting again, in the death of one of the most out spoken voices for peace on Alliance side and the death of the son of the greatest Warrior in the Horde. As Thrall does have final word over everything that happens in the Horde, it never should have happened, and because Blizzard wrote it like this, it did and cast a bit of a shadow over Thrall. But because that belief goes against your absolute Thrall love, obviously, everything I put there, never mind that it did happen in Lore, was wrong and not right, and therefore, you have the right to attack and say I'm wrong.
1: Bolvar was never some holy saint you claimed. so he 'put up' with the horde being there, so what, he still would have gladly offed them if the situation hadn't called for more forces to work there.
2: Your the one here making out that Thrall is some omnipotent being who can govern every single aspect of the horde, instead of putting trust in his allies like a good ruler would. This whole 'he's warchief, he controls everything' has always been an excuse by people wanting to use him as a scapegoat for what happened at the wrathgate or the broken front.
3: I only reserve the right to say somethings wrong when theres a valid counterpoint to be made against it. Theres a massive difference between saying sylvanas is a schemeing harpy, which nobody could deny, and saying its all Thralls fault, when theres a valid counterpoint to say why its not.
Post by
taurenmoo812
But you started first... >.>
How about we just stay away from immature stuff like that?
fine. I was wrong to have posted it up. it wasn't even intended as something so serious but was taken so.
Post by
Monday
1: Bolvar was never some holy saint you claimed. so he 'put up' with the horde being there, so what, he still would have gladly offed them if the situation hadn't called for more forces to work there.
He clearly reacted with kindness, friendship and familiarity at the Wrathgate.
fine. I was wrong to have posted it up. it wasn't even intended as something so serious but was taken so.
That's fine. And I will refrain from adding things like (Which is more than can be said for Thrall) in my posts.
Post by
Adamsm
you don't need my posts? omg, your not selling yourself short at all are you? You tell me to grow a spine, well I'll tell you to grow some conscientious and realise this isn't your forum.I know it isn't my forum... but does that mean I have to put up with your insulting posts all the time, attacking the Alliance and making fun of the leaders? That's the thing after all, no one wants to come to a forum with an obvious troll.
1: Bolvar was never some holy saint you claimed. so he 'put up' with the horde being there, so what, he still would have gladly offed them if the situation hadn't called for more forces to work there......Wow, just wow.... Except he was one of the few working for actual peace, seeing as he didn't push for the war that Varian wanted, and tried to keep things under control. And like Funden said, he welcomed Draenosh and his forces, didn't react with contempt or anything like Varian would have. Also, weren't you one of those who said that they could get rid of Varian and put Bolvar back, and the warmongering would cool down....
2: Your the one here making out that Thrall is some omnipotent being who can govern every single aspect of the horde, instead of putting trust in his allies like a good ruler would. This whole 'he's warchief, he controls everything' has always been an excuse by people wanting to use him as a scapegoat for what happened at the wrathgate or the broken front. I'm sorry... what? Isn't your stance about Garrosh taking over the Horde means that everything is going to @#$% in a hand basket, and no Thrall means that the Horde will suddenly transform into the Fel Horde again, with all the demon and death again.
3: I only reserve the right to say somethings wrong when theres a valid counterpoint to be made against it. Theres a massive difference between saying sylvanas is a schemeing harpy, which nobody could deny, and saying its all Thralls fault, when theres a valid counterpoint to say why its not.Except he is the Warchief, with the final say over everything. Had he found out about the Blight before hand, he would have stopped it... but because he was too busy with other things, and didn't put in the proper guards over a race of homicidal maniacs, he shouldn't be surprised when some people see that as a flaw in his leadership.
Because honestly... there's nothing there; your not that deep Tauren.
And neither are you.If I'm not that deep... stop replying to my posts then.
Post by
taurenmoo812
.....Wow, just wow.... Except he was one of the few working for actual peace, seeing as he didn't push for the war that Varian wanted, and tried to keep things under control. And like Funden said, he welcomed Draenosh and his forces, didn't react with contempt or anything like Varian would have. Also, weren't you one of those who said that they could get rid of Varian and put Bolvar back, and the warmongering would cool down....
I must have seen another wrathgate cinematic then, not the one you saw of bolvar shaking hands with draenosh like they were brothers. I just saw the one where he sneered at him when he was there. (oh great, another violet tower thing)
I'm sorry... what? Isn't your stance about Garrosh taking over the Horde means that everything is going to @#$% in a hand basket, and no Thrall means that the Horde will suddenly transform into the Fel Horde again, with all the demon and death again.
The *!@# is going to hit the fan in terms of the horde and its code of conduct well Garrosh is here. And.. what has that got to do with you pinning all the blame on Thrall like he's meant to be in multiple places at once?
Except he is the Warchief, with the final say over everything. Had he found out about the Blight before hand, he would have stopped it... but because he was too busy with other things, and didn't put in the proper guards over a race of homicidal maniacs, he shouldn't be surprised when some people see that as a flaw in his leadership.
Thrall governs the horde, but in all of warcraft none of the respected faction leaders have ben found in any other city there not part of. In Thrall case he puts trust and faith in his allies like a good leader is meant to. He made a mistake with the forsaken, just like the human alliance made a mistake in never helping those that came to them after they were free of the scourge.
Post by
Adamsm
Wrathgate:
Highlord Fordragon: Fight on, brothers!
As the battle continues, Dranosh Saurfang observes the conflict from the ledge of the Kor'kron Vanguard overlooking the field and raises his axe to rally his soldiers.
Dranosh Saurfang: Rise up, sons of the Horde! Blood and glory await us!
Back at the battle, Bolvar glances up at the sound of an orcish horn and Dranosh shouting "Victory or death!" in orcish as he and his troops arrive.
Dranosh Saurfang: Lok'tar ogar! For the Horde!
Horde army: FOR THE HORDE!
Bolvar and Dranosh fight side-by-side.
Highlord Fordragon: I was wondering if you'd show up!
Dranosh Saurfang: I couldn't let the Alliance have ALL the fun today!
Dranosh swings his axe, killing three undead vrykul in one slash. The vrykul forces dispatched, Bolvar and Dranosh approach the gate with their combined army grouped together behind them. Dranosh glances at Bolvar, apparently giving him the lead to speak.
Highlord Fordragon: Arthas! The blood of your father, of your people, demands justice! Come forth, coward, and answer for your crimes!
The gate rumbles and opens again as Dranosh growls, revealing the Lich King, Frostmourne in hand.
The Lich King: You speak of justice? Of cowardice? I will show you the justice of the grave and the true meaning of fear.
As the Lich King approaches, undead legions rise behind him. Hm, didn't see a sneer there, seemed like simple comradeship between them.
And.. what has that got to do with you pinning all the blame on Thrall like he's meant to be in multiple places at once?That a few guards there in the city earlier then Wrath would have mean an event causing the death of several hundred and two heroes of their factions dying and one being raised up as an enemy of all that lives.
Thrall governs the horde, but in all of warcraft none of the respected faction leaders have ben found in any other city there not part of. In Thrall case he puts trust and faith in his allies like a good leader is meant to. He made a mistake with the forsaken, just like the human alliance made a mistake in never helping those that came to them after they were free of the scourge.Sure, the humans could have responded better to the Forsaken... but then again, they merely reacted to them as gibbering creatures of the Scourge(as far as they knew at the time), hell, before the Forsaken got into the Horde, the original ambassadors were killed by the Horde as well, merely thinking they were more mindless Scourge. But, here's the thing, if you notice, there are ambassadors of the different factions in other cities for the Alliance, you don't see that as much with the Horde, which isn't a good thing, merely more of Thrall's trusting nature shining through. Again, had there been a few non-Forsaken Horde members in the Undercity, the Plague probably could have been stopped ahead of time.
But, as this is going around in circles, and not actually doing anything for the thread, I saw we end this 'discussion' here with the standard 'you believe one thing' 'I believe another' and we're not going to reach a compromise because of our biases.
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On topic.... well, can't really think of anything on topic for this.
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