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Post by
taurenmoo812
With the changes made to orgrimmar, I'm now more then convinced that none of it was made due to Thralls choices, but Garrosh.
In a recent post on mmo champ it shows Grommash hold has been moved from the valley of wisdom (which has been changed to a tauren settlement) to the valley of strength.
and where the bones of Mannoroth once stood (which is now a watering hole) the bones have been turned into Garrosh's throne, and his leftover bones made into his armor.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/old-world-changes/
(horde)-mannoroth/
Obviously anyone can guess my own view on it. I'm mixed on the idea that well it does pay respect to Grom is having his son wear the bones of the demon that killed him, I'm also on the idea that, when garrosh dies, what will there be to pay respect to grom? certainly not a monument.
Post by
Rankkor
I agree with shadoworg here.....
I saw the vids on youtube, the skull of mannoroth is now on the warchief's throne, and mannoroth had only 2 tusks, and those tusks are still on the throne, so that means the tusks on the new armor of Garrosh have to be from something else.
my money is on mammoths as their tusks are HUGE.
or he just killed another pitlord and used his tusks on the armor :P both posibilities can happen, after all outland still has a fair share of pitlords to kill.
Post by
GVHB
A good move of Blizzard to move the Throne Room from Valley of Wisdom to Valley of Strength, seeing as Garrosh is not the wisest Warchief, but the one with the most physical strength.
Post by
Rankkor
A good move of Blizzard to move the Throne Room from Valley of Wisdom to Valley of Strength, seeing as Garrosh is not the wisest Warchief, but the one with the most physical strength.
o_O I never tought of that xD, subliminal messages FTW :P
Thrall=wise, so his house is on the valley of Wisdom.
Garrosh=brute force, so his house is on the valley of Strenght.
como es q no vi eso antes? O_O
Post by
taurenmoo812
A good move of Blizzard to move the Throne Room from Valley of Wisdom to Valley of Strength, seeing as Garrosh is not the wisest Warchief, but the one with the most physical strength.
o_O I never tought of that xD, subliminal messages FTW :P
Thrall=wise, so his house is on the valley of Wisdom.
Garrosh=brute force, so his house is on the valley of Strenght.
como es q no vi eso antes? O_O
you also have to think of the bummer here rank. because changing around the design of old world and orgrimmar isn't something done on a whim, the fact that grommash hold is moved from valley of wisdom to valley of strength speaks clearly, that the leadership of the horde being one of wisdom to one of strength without that wisdom or spirituality, is forever changed.
thats why I find it depressing, that garrosh's presence, is something being not just forced, but stuck.
Post by
Monday
A good move of Blizzard to move the Throne Room from Valley of Wisdom to Valley of Strength, seeing as Garrosh is not the wisest Warchief, but the one with the most physical strength.
o_O I never tought of that xD, subliminal messages FTW :P
Thrall=wise, so his house is on the valley of Wisdom.
Garrosh=brute force, so his house is on the valley of Strenght.
como es q no vi eso antes? O_O
you also have to think of the bummer here rank. because changing around the design of old world and orgrimmar isn't something done on a whim, the fact that grommash hold is moved from valley of wisdom to valley of strength speaks clearly, that the leadership of the horde being one of wisdom to one of strength without that wisdom or spirituality, is forever changed.
thats why I find it depressing, that garrosh's presence, is something being not just forced, but stuck.
Would you mind if I led Alliance raids to kill Garrosh and his councilors?
Post by
Rankkor
Would you mind if I led Alliance raids to kill Garrosh and his councilors?
pfff, by all means come on in, make yourselves at home, just be a dear and DON'T stain the carpet with garrosh's blood, after all I intend to make that chair mine once he's busted :P
Post by
Adamsm
Eh that's what phasing is for; once Garrosh is disposed, the seat of power moves back to the Valley of Wisdom... or you know, Thrall comes back, and leaves Garrosh in the Valley of Strength as the new 'warlord' or whatever the High Commander position would be in Horde terms. As for the throne.... been there, seen it before lol, they could have done something more original for that. And finally the bones; Shovel Tusks heh, like the Shaman shoulders.
Post by
Hydralisk
Org looks f'n awesome.. I love what Garrosh did with the place and he is a true Warchief..Lok'tar ogar!
Post by
Rankkor
as the new 'warlord' or whatever the High Commander position would be in Horde terms
the highest military rank a horde officer can obtain (other than Warchief) is High Overlord.
only one in the horde ever gets that rank, and it's usually the right hand of the acting warchief.
this rank is so high up that it's unavaliable to players just as the alliance Rank of Highlord is unavaliable too.
High-Warlord is the highest player-attainable rank :P and comming cataclyms I'll do my best to have it (though I don't really want it, I want is GENERAL, now that's a badass Title right there)
Post by
Adamsm
as the new 'warlord' or whatever the High Commander position would be in Horde terms
the highest military rank a horde officer can obtain (other than Warchief) is High Overlord.
only one in the horde ever gets that rank, and it's usually the right hand of the acting warchief.
this rank is so high up that it's unavaliable to players just as the alliance Rank of Highlord is unavaliable too.
High-Warlord is the highest player-attainable rank :P and comming cataclyms I'll do my best to have it (though I don't really want it, I want is GENERAL, now that's a badass Title right there)
So, it is possible(hear me out), we beat sense into Garrosh, Thrall returns, and rather then exile him, he decides to leave the brown skinned orc in a position of power; as a High Warlord, under Saurfang, who is the current High Overlord(right?). Would help with those who want the WARcraft and those who want Thrall in position.
Post by
Rankkor
So, it is possible(hear me out), we beat sense into Garrosh, Thrall returns, and rather then exile him, he decides to leave the brown skinned orc in a position of power; as a High Warlord, under Saurfang, who is the current High Overlord(right?). Would help with those who want the WARcraft and those who want Thrall in position
there's a problem with your plan there bro'
Garrosh's current rank is already higher than High-warlord xD
is true that High Overlord is the highest non-warchief rank posible, but is not the only one, there's also the Overlord rank wich garrosh already has......
so, if he was now a High warlord that would be a demotion not a promotion :P
already Garrosh has the highest rank he can achieve in the military, because there can only be 1 Warchief, and only 1 High Overlord (wich could be considered as the vice-president) but there can be multiple Overlords.
Post by
GVHB
So, it is possible(hear me out), we beat sense into Garrosh, Thrall returns, and rather then exile him, he decides to leave the brown skinned orc in a position of power; as a High Warlord, under Saurfang, who is the current High Overlord(right?). Would help with those who want the WARcraft and those who want Thrall in position
there's a problem with your plan there bro'
Garrosh's current rank is already higher than High-warlord xD
is true that High Overlord is the highest non-warchief rank posible, but is not the only one, there's also the Overlord rank wich garrosh already has......
so, if he was now a High warlord that would be a demotion not a promotion :P
already Garrosh has the highest rank he can achieve in the military, because there can only be 1 Warchief, and only 1 High Overlord (wich could be considered as the vice-president) but there can be multiple Overlords.
What Adams say is, if Thrall retake the title of Warchief, Garrosh will be put into another high rank in the orc's military. A demotion yes, but better than nothing.
Post by
Adamsm
Ah, alright, alter that; he goes back to what he was when Thrall comes back, sorry, not up on full Horde politics... but it could technically work right? Leave Garrosh as the over all military leader, with only Thrall able to veto his suggestions and attack plans, which would let Thrall step up(in the eyes of the Warmongers) and become active as well?
Post by
Rankkor
Ah, alright, alter that; he goes back to what he was when Thrall comes back, sorry, not up on full Horde politics
understandable =) u're an alliance fan, and I'm a horde fan, it's normal that you know more about the alliance than I do (and you do know more about their politics and the like) and it's normal I know more about horde than you do :P no harm done.
but it could technically work right? Leave Garrosh as the over all military leader, with only Thrall able to veto his suggestions and attack plans, which would let Thrall step up(in the eyes of the Warmongers) and become active as well?
while I don't think it's likely, I'll admit is not imposible either, yhea it can happen, is unlikely but it can happen.
mostly because that would be like reverting back to status quo, and is kinda hard that thrall says "I'm the Warchief again, now remove all those spikes before someone pokes an eye out".....
xD but in all honesty, yhea your theory is posible bro'
Post by
Adamsm
but it could technically work right? Leave Garrosh as the over all military leader, with only Thrall able to veto his suggestions and attack plans, which would let Thrall step up(in the eyes of the Warmongers) and become active as well?
while I don't think it's likely, I'll admit is not imposible either, yhea it can happen, is unlikely but it can happen.
mostly because that would be like reverting back to status quo, and is kinda hard that thrall says "I'm the Warchief again, now remove all those spikes before someone pokes an eye out".....
xD but in all honesty, yhea your theory is posible bro'
I don't see Thrall removing the spikes, just because it leaves the city fortified and better defended then the current Orgrimmar, but I could see him ordering a new paint job over the black metal, maybe back to the original colours of the city. It wouldn't have to revert back, like I said, would still leave Garrosh as the military hand of the Horde, just now he has Thrall at his back to make sure he doesn't do something really stupid(in my idea, he did something stupid that blew up in his face and lost some of his prime allies or the like).
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