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Lorkin
Ok I've been bugging over this for a few days now. I recently started picking up some key pieces leaning towards an armor pen set for MM. I still have a ways to go as some pieces elude me (LDW legs, omg!) but my goal is high Armor Pen or even to hit the 1400 cap. I'd have to switch prof's but that's another discussion.
Anyways, someone was kind enough to put together a nice profile for me for a final armor pen set. Here it is:
Armor Pen MM Hunter Set
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Now my question is that when I plug this into femaledwarf, I get a certain dps output. When I replace ALL armor pen gems for straight AGI, I only see a slight dps decrease (-48 dps). Does this mean that switching to all Armor Pen only results in a small dps gain? The spreadsheet does not take into account movement in the fight so it should favor Agi more than Armor Pen correct?
I was trying to determine when would be a good time to switch to Armor Pen gemming vs Agi that I have currently. I keep seeing the ~800 magic number but even then femaledwarf favors agility. So this leads me to question how accurate is femaledwarf when it comes to Armor Pen and ICC bosses? Id rather switch once and not regret doing so because I see less dps output.
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Lorkin
I did enable Full raid buffs, but not hearty rhino. I'll give that a try.
Edit: Put in the 40 armor pen food and moved a few things around:
@ 8.33% hit | 64.68% crit | 7517 AP | 1340 Arm Pen I 1607 Agility | I get ~ 12321 dps
@ 8.33% hit | 71.02 % crit | 8099 AP | 878 Arm Pen | 2069 Agility | I get ~ 12080 dps
For a net loss of ~ 240 dps.
I know this is greater than the first 48 dps loss I saw earlier (prob due to not hitting Arm Pen cap) but wouldn't switching to Armor Pen result is greater numbers?
I guess I had anticipated more along the lines of an extra +1000 dps or something like that for switching to the hard Armor Pen Cap.
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Lorkin
Importing that into femaledwarf gave me 12261.44 dps after I did some minor adjustments:
Converting that into a full Agi build with deadly gems in yellow sockets returns a DPS value of 12030.13. I forgot to change the ArP food to agi food there, but I already deleted the data :/.
1400 isn't some magic number that magically increases your DPS by a very large amount. The increase in DPS from ArP is a smooth curve.
So you ended up seeing a 12261.44 - 12030.13 = 231.31 dps loss from switching from full Arm Pen to Agility.
I ran some other armory profiles through the spreadsheet and came up with a consistent ~200 to 280 dps loss from switching from full armor pen to full agility.
My point is that shouldn't this number be higher? A dps gain of max 300 dps for totally changing your gear around for armor pen seems a little lackluster. From the posts I've seen about warriors, rogues, and hunters going for armor pen, it sounded like the change would be a huge jump in damage. I was expecting to see upwards of an extra 1k damage for switching. Is that it?
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Lorkin
Thanks for explaining that Daefaroth, that does make a lot of sense.
Meaning that when you trade Agility for ArPen, your gaining total damage to Auto, Steady and Aimed, but you're losing the damage that agility adds to all your shots.
The majority of ALL my shots are now Auto, Steady, and Aimed. With the exception of Serp Sting and Chimera, and the occasional Arcane while moving, the majority of my shots should use armor pen. I'm also guessing that Agi scales better raid buffed with kings right?
I guess I'll wait till I'm closer and just give it a shot to see if there is any difference. Three major pieces of armor pen gear I'm still missing dropped from ICC 25 this weekend, unfortunately I was on my paladin = (.
Side question, is Volley considered a physical attack and would benefit from armor pen?
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Streifen9984
Even then. Fights require some movement, so the increase in DPS is even less than the 300 or so that people are seeing on femaledwarf.
*If all the fights were like Patchwerk, you'd be a beast. But that's boring.
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blueocean
Got nearly 5.5k gs with my hunter, still gemming agility, and owning every other retard gemming ArP without being capped ^^
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