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Post by
Monday
You know what, I'm done.
You are constantly overlooking hard facts and replacing them with slander and things we don't know, while all the while saying that we "pure alliance" fans only want to retain our untarnished shiny image while constantly shouting down anyone that says the Horde may be slightly bad in any way.
Stop being a hypocrite and get some hard facts to back up your arguments.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Never is pretty is it, when someone goes off at the same degree as what you dish out.
Post by
Adamsm
Ah, so you were just trolling us all then eh Tauren?
Post by
Monday
Never is pretty is it, when someone goes off at the same degree as what you dish out.
Like what? You still have given me no theories and I have a $5 bet with a friend you won't.
Post by
taurenmoo812
Never is pretty is it, when someone goes off at the same degree as what you dish out.
Like what? You still have given me no theories and I have a $5 bet with a friend you won't.
I already answered what you asked for. you just choose not to see it. if theres anything else I'd be glad to humor it.
Post by
Monday
Never is pretty is it, when someone goes off at the same degree as what you dish out.
Like what? You still have given me no theories and I have a $5 bet with a friend you won't.
I already answered what you asked for. you just choose not to see it. if theres anything else I'd be glad to humor it.
I played that questchain on the only alliance toon I have left, back when wotlk came out, and from there it gave a solid reference that thrassrian was sent to his death under varians order.Give me reference.
I see no reference.
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452949
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Post by
taurenmoo812
I dont see why he wouldnt think they were scum. They are afterall in the scourge army and have destroyed some of his closer friends.
Back on topic: I dont think alliance is getting screwed over because the Horde lose two of there coolest leaders and orgrimmar now looks, in my opinion, retarded.
well I certainly agree with your second point, urm.. the dks only killed off the scarlets (and the neutral argent dawn), which don't now count as allies to the alliance. Obviously other details of what the scourge has done before, but that weren't those dks.
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401374
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Post by
taurenmoo812
did anyone mention that Tarren Mill has been taken by the Alliance? yeah.
After the Honor system was implemented in Vanilla there was no one the defend Tarren Mill, and the Aliiance took advantage of the situation.
urm... you.. realise theres nothing been said about that, only that alliance lose southshore, nothing said of forsaken losing tarren mill.
Post by
Orkel
Did you see SW? Park gone.
NO! Not the park! You mean I can't train in a semi-laggy city anymore? Guess Darnassus is the only place for me now!
Post by
taurenmoo812
Did you see SW? Park gone.
NO! Not the park! You mean I can't train in a semi-laggy city anymore? Guess Darnassus is the only place for me now!
thats how night elf mages really came about. The night elves in the garden district that survived got moved to the mage quarter, started drinking the funny wine there, and learned arcane magic.
Post by
Orkel
And we'll both have to wait for cataclysm itself, but we could see a change to Bael Modan, which would give the Alliance two cities there
the number of towns doesn't denote who owns each land and who doesn't.
is enough that there is an enemy presence to denote that the land is contested....
I mean take a look at hellfire peninsula, 2 alliance bases (honor hold and temple of thelsamar) while the horde has 3 bases (thrallmar, falcon watch, and spinebreaker post).
2 bases vs 3 bases, and does that make the peninsula a horde territory? nope, it's contested simply because even when the alliance has fewer bases they still have a significant presence in the area....
same goes for south barrens, the fact that a VERY LARGE horde base is in there is enough to make the area a contested zone not an alliance zone.
this assuming that indeed the alliance has 2 bases and the horde only 1.
besides as someone else said, Terrain phasing is the new hottest fashion in cataclysm, is not imposible to reclaim and rebuilt taurajo in time...... if the trolls got the echo isles........
*Telhamat
and get off the steroids Barry, we get Expedition Point
Post by
Rankkor
whoa....... I'm very sorry to have to do this Tauren but..... dude give it a rest.....
seriously, you know I'm a diehard horde fan and loyalist and even I won't go this far into an argument.
specially when there's nothing solid to argue, only "what if" scenarios, and those can only be held on their own for so long before they become boring and tedious.
addams already delivered a good finishing line at page 3
not going to continue this line of discussion, will just end up in an argument neither side can really prove.
and is true, this is just "what if" scenarios, wich can only be debated but not proven, if a concensus is not attained imidetly then the discussion should be dropped because this is something neither side can prove...
all I meant by my statement at page 3 was to prove wrong the statement "varian has no problem with DK's"
my only base for it is that he is rude to DK players, while thrall is not...
Varian threatens you with death and says he's actually itching to make you a stain on the floor, whereas thrall doesn't display such violence.
there's no doubt at all of what varian would had done to the DK players if they hand't recieved tirion's endorsement, since varian himself said that he wanted you dead and bleeding.
However I would like to believe that Thrall would had acted diferently if only because he showed respect and restraint when in the presence of a DK, so even without Tirion's endorsement, I would like to believe he would had just trown the DK's out and that's that. but since that's a "what if" scenario I can't prove it.
Adamsm pointed out that former forsaken emisaries were killed on sight before they were allowed an audience with the warchief, and he's right, so adamsm believes that without Tirion's endorsement Thrall would had also Killed DK players like varian even if he showed restraint and respect... however, just like me, he cannot prove it.
so.......
since neither him nor me can prove our side, and the only thing we can do is defend our theories, the only thing that can be done is agree that we disagree and leave it at that.
now please tauren, drop this fight bro'.
as a fellow horde brother i ask it of you please.
and get off the steroids Barry, we get Expedition Point
=O are we allowed to take minuscule scouting points into the list now?
ok, new and updated list of bases in hellfire peninsula:
Horde: Thrallmar, Falcon Watch, Spinebreaker post, Reaver's fall.
Alliance: Honor hold, Temple of *Telhamat (thanks for the correction ^^) and expedition point.
bottom line: 4 horde bases, 3 alliance bases.
that makes hellfire horde territory? nope, it's contested, just because the horde has more bases doesn't mean that the enemy presence doesn't count.
same for southern barrens, that zone doesn't belong to the alliance, the alliance now has a presence there, just as the horde does, so it's a contested zone.
Post by
Monday
Alliance: Honor hold, Temple of *Telhamat (thanks for the correction ^^) and expedition point.
Wait, what about Honor Point? Has anything been said aobut that?
Post by
Rankkor
humm, mon u' making me gonna jump on my troll mage to scan hellfire again and do a very heavy recount of bases mon......
xD
Post by
GVHB
humm, mon u' making me gonna jump on my troll mage to scan hellfire again and do a very heavy recount of bases mon......
xD
You may count Mag'har Post as an Horde city as well.
Post by
Rankkor
humm, mon u' making me gonna jump on my troll mage to scan hellfire again and do a very heavy recount of bases mon......
xD
You may count Mag'har Post as an Horde city as well.
=) thank you, THANK YOU.
Post by
Monday
humm, mon u' making me gonna jump on my troll mage to scan hellfire again and do a very heavy recount of bases mon......
xD
You may count Mag'har Post as an Horde city as well.
=) thank you, THANK YOU.
So do you have a count so far?
From Wowwiki Major citiesAlliance Honor Hold
Alliance Temple of Telhamat
Alliance Shatter Point
Horde Thrallmar
Horde Falcon Watch
Horde Spinebreaker Post
Neutral Stair of Destiny
Post by
Rankkor
Shatter point isn't really a major city, is a VERY small scouting post, if that one is taken in consideration, then Reaver's fall should too.
and also there's the Mag'har post.
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