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TheMediator
This is the best illustration I can give for Hell. You would be in pain at your wife's desire not to go with you. The difference is, that you are not omnipotent. Imagine if you were though, would forceing your wife to stay with you, to love you in return, would it be true love? Would it mean as much to you? What if you were to follow her around all day long, offering her proof of your presence? Would that 'work' to save your marriage? More than anything, God wants to be loved. He gave us wings so that we could fly away if we desired, and didn't stiffle our lives with His presence constantly. We can fly away if we want to. It must make Him feel so good when we choose to love him in return. The only comparison I have is the way I feel when my wife loves me, which is constantly. It is more valuable than anything. It means more than anything. I can't describe the way it makes me feel. The fact that that love comes freely, and truely, is what makes it so valuable. But there are consequences if that love stops. That doesn't make me a hypocrit.
TL;DR - If your wife leaves you, seek her out and then torture her for as long as you can. If God really "loved" me, he would obliterate my soul on my death because that's what I want more than an eternity of anything. Instead, if I don't wish to join him, he will snatch up my soul and then toss it into a pit of hellfire. That's selfishness. That's evil. I'd rather join up with Satan, where at least on his side I've got a fighting chance come the end times to fight against the armies of God and attempt to overthrow him so that those forsaken souls can finally get their rest. I would say that joining up Satan to at least attempt to free those "sinners" from their torment is the good and just thing to do.
Post by
MyTie
That sure is "human" of God.Perhaps it is "divine" of humans. Love, I mean.In addition, if my wife didn't love me, I wouldn't kidnap her, keep her in my basement, and torture her for as long as possible without killing her, all the while professing my love for her.A better illustration would be if your house were the only safe place in the world, and she refused to stay with you.
Post by
MyTie
This is the best illustration I can give for Hell. You would be in pain at your wife's desire not to go with you. The difference is, that you are not omnipotent. Imagine if you were though, would forceing your wife to stay with you, to love you in return, would it be true love? Would it mean as much to you? What if you were to follow her around all day long, offering her proof of your presence? Would that 'work' to save your marriage? More than anything, God wants to be loved. He gave us wings so that we could fly away if we desired, and didn't stiffle our lives with His presence constantly. We can fly away if we want to. It must make Him feel so good when we choose to love him in return. The only comparison I have is the way I feel when my wife loves me, which is constantly. It is more valuable than anything. It means more than anything. I can't describe the way it makes me feel. The fact that that love comes freely, and truely, is what makes it so valuable. But there are consequences if that love stops. That doesn't make me a hypocrit.
TL;DR - If your wife leaves you, seek her out and then torture her for as long as you can. If God really "loved" me, he would obliterate my soul on my death because that's what I want more than an eternity of anything. Instead, if I don't wish to join him, he will snatch up my soul and then toss it into a pit of hellfire. That's selfishness. That's evil. I'd rather join up with Satan, where at least on his side I've got a fighting chance come the end times to fight against the armies of God and attempt to overthrow him so that those forsaken souls can finally get their rest.
Heh. That TL'DR is actually typed by someone who didn't read my post.
Post by
MyTie
Here's your answer, Skreeran. This is how religious people reconcile the existence of hell and many of the other flaws religion has. Claiming that god's logic is outside the realm of human thought is somewhat absurd. After all, wouldn't one assume that the creator would intimately understand his creations? This is why they do not question. They view god as so much higher than themselves that they do not even deserve the right to question. There you go.
I don't know everything. That doesn't mean I don't question things. I just know that I can't obtain all the answers.
Post by
393249
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Post by
TheMediator
I read your post. Are you saying if your son wanted to commit suicide you would let him? Of course not, you would force the gun out of his hand. That's what I would want my father to do for me, and if I had a holy father, I would want him to force me into his arms. I assure you that 99.9999% or more of those who were forced to convert to Christianity would ultimately find acceptance if God really did exist in the fashion described in the Bible.
Post by
MyTie
I read your post. Are you saying if your son wanted to commit suicide you would let him? Of course not, you would force the gun out of his hand.I'm sure God would go to His own death to try to get us to take the gun out of our mouth, but free will is still ours. Love cannot exist without free will. Without love, what's the point?
Post by
TheMediator
There was a period of time in my life, and it probably existed for most people, where they despised their parents because they didn't understand why they were doing things that they perceived as hurting them when they were simply trying to help them. My parents, being loving people, endured my rebellion, and I ultimately came around to loving them once I understood what they were doing. Your religion proposes that instead my parents should have tortured me. That doesn't sound very loving at all. If your parents tortured you, would you say that they loved you? No.
Post by
cheezedood21
Being Barnie Frank's toilet.
Post by
MyTie
Your religion proposes that instead my parents should have tortured me. That doesn't sound very loving at all. If your parents tortured you, would you say that they loved you? No.
Well... I told myself I would stay in this thread until it devolved into trolling. So, that's all.
I find it meaningful that this kind of anger and hatred comes from atheists just as commonly as it does Christians. Atheists find their own reasons for war, just as religious people do. All the common flaws popular to pin on Christians are flaws shared equally by those who are not Christians.
I'm so tired of being taunted and taken out of context. I'm so tired of being trolled. I'm so tired of trying to propose positive points to have people say things like I believe children should be tortured, or that I approve of rape, or any number of horrible things.
Please stop. I'm not going to continue this debate. You'll have to do without my point of view. Not that it mattered much in the first place, because you were just going to replace it with what you felt my opinion was, instead of what it was that I said.
/sigh
Post by
TheMediator
What I felt your opinion was? Tell me then what difference exists been being thrown into an oven by family or being thrown into an oven by God? I'm not trolling, I'm being 100% serious with my posts.
Post by
MyTie
TL;DR - If your wife leaves you, seek her out and then torture her for as long as you can.
Tell me then what difference exists been being thrown into an oven by family or being thrown into an oven by God? I'm not trolling, I'm being 100% serious with my posts.
You deserve no more of my attention.
Post by
MyTie
If in 100 years, when we are both dead, I found out that Skreeran were in some sort of inexcapable negative predicament that we understand as 'hell', I would be sad. =(
I think that it must be very painful for God each time someone doesn't reach the destination, since He considers us all as His children.
All I can say is, I hope that no matter what, you always find peace and contentment.
These are my posts from this thread... These are the posts of compassion and a true Christian. You then said I want to torture and burn my family. You are either a troll, or illiterate.
Post by
TheMediator
Your God intends on torturing a subset of his children to fulfill his own sense of justice. Do you refute that statement?
Post by
MyTie
Your God intends on torturing a subset of his children to fulfill his own sense of justice. Do you refute that statement?
I would refute it, of course, but I have no more intention of carrying this debate or any more with you. You have made it apparant that it really doesn't matter what I say. You are going to quote me, and then interrpret my words as being something really terrible.
Take a look at our conversation a bit ago:The only comparison I have is the way I feel when my wife loves me, which is constantly. It is more valuable than anything. It means more than anything. I can't describe the way it makes me feel. The fact that that love comes freely, and truely, is what makes it so valuable.
TL;DR - If your wife leaves you, seek her out and then torture her for as long as you can.Yesterday, you explained how I think rape is 'ok', by taking my words out of context.
I think I've cut you enough slack, and dignified your statements long enough with rebuttles.
Post by
TheMediator
Reality hurts MyTie. Instead of turning and fleeing, you should accept that this pain that you feel inside yourself for doubting your own views is a good thing.
Post by
393249
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Post by
Adamsm
Reality hurts MyTie. Instead of turning and fleeing, you should accept that this pain that you feel inside yourself for doubting your own views is a good thing.
Now you really are trolling.
Gotta agree there.
Post by
TheMediator
Reality hurts MyTie. Instead of turning and fleeing, you should accept that this pain that you feel inside yourself for doubting your own views is a good thing.
Now you really are trolling.
Is it not deserved at this point? MyTie has shown that he will rationalize murder, rape, and torture any way that he can. It seems appropriate.
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301983
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